Hey 'tou, good to hear from ya! Where ya been, picketing Dick Cheney's house? (that crook!!!)
I jokingly say so 'cuz his WY house is right across the river from me, and if WY weren't such a \"red\" state, he'd be burned in effigy in the town square.
Harrrumph hud garert enh ragga (gibberish-gibberish) slobber!
Garrrrrrrrrrh ha huh! Iga raggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hof Harrr ruf!
(translation)
Gimme just 5 minutes with that ##$$~* prique!
That's all I ask! I'd staple his face to his a$$, so every time he
sits down he'll eat crap! :evil:
We have musicians in this area as well, that only wish to validate their talent with smiles, and a good time in their own community. I was married to a uber talented babe. She played guitar and sang as good as some stars you hear on albums. She was a real exciting entertainer, by herself...and whenever others joined in,... it was insane! Lots of great memories. She too was only interested in having fun with her music, and had no commercial interest.
I remember now...I quit guitar when I hooked up with her. Next to her... I really...really sucked.
and at 100w Marshall volume too. :oops:
...well...now she's gone...soooooooooo... got me another guitar... 8)
You should see if you can get her hammered....then see if you can get her ankles...behind her ears!
She's an ex-alcoholic. She won't touch any substances. Got any other ideas?!? :?
As I said in my initial post, don't let her boss you around - musically or otherwise. Be the boss; just because she went to Nashville or whatever doesn't mean a thing when it comes to getting a new job done. She needs to realize that what you're looking for is a girl who has more to her than meets the eye - even if that's not the case (I hope for your sake that it is). Challenge her on things she \"doesn't care\" about. Force her to think, in general. In an indirect manner, you need to make her push her limits and get out of her state of knowing what she wants - again, musically or otherwise. Do this is a fun and joking way (always), but have a serious point and don't let up on it.
I never believed in \"getting her hammered\", though it has worked in the past - I'd like to think for other reason (they all call back sober). Anything you're willing to do under the influence you should be willing to do sober, otherwise you're not getting anywhere.
I'm semi-dating one now. I'm sure there are others out there. Sometimes it hurts your chances trying for the stereotypical \"girly\" thing, as your intention becomes all too clear for her tastes. It's best to find out where the weakness is, rather than generalize it. After all, she wants to be treated as unique, not a piece of flesh that men go googoo-gaga for each time she enters the room.
I'd have to go with the more direct approach. This \"romance stuff\" is BS.
Chase her down, tackle her, and get all animal on her.
If it goes to Court...tell the Judge...
\"your Honor...she kept yelling... DON'T... STOP!\"
Been married to a lead singer.......all I can say is, looks should never get ahead of musicianship or ability to work well with others. Putting up with an egoist just cuz she's got the look is NEVER worth it.
You guyz are killin' me.
On the one hand, it'd be really nice to fall into a band or find jam-mates who're really into being good, and play music I like. But this is East Bumblef**k, and to find someone who can do more than finger a g-string is a miracle. :?
In that light, I'm glad to have some people to play with, even if they are marginally talented (except for the one girls' voice) and play country-chick music.
On the other hand...it seems pointless to play music that isn't challenging or particularly interesting. Even if it is with a coupla cute chix.
In that light, I could easily forego playing with them and focus on my own musical interests.
But...given the environment I'm in, I'm still leaning towards patience and tolerance of their shortcomings. If for no other reason than to have some play-mates, get out and do some public performance, and have women sleep with me just to prove to the hott singer that they can. :twisted:
It sounds like you've made up your mind. So just use it as an opportunity to go out and play and be social. Do the best you can under the circumstances and find a way to make the music interesting to you.
In the mean time work on your own stuff. I don't have alot of time to put together any thing, but I have a few people I do play with ocassionally.
I put together midi bass and drum tracks for my songs. With my laptop loaded with Sonar and having the Software synth in it, sometimes I go play by myself,Sometimes I play with just a bass player and use my drum tracks and sometimes I go play with a drummer friend of mine and use only the bass tracks. Sometimes when the planets line up I get to play with a live drummer and bassist. But I can at least play when I have the time. There are all kinds of sites to get midi files. Some are'nt good, alot of them are really good and usable with a little tweaking. I was hesitant about using midi tracks but was encouraged by a couple of friends of mine who play violin and guitar to CD rhythem tracks. I'm glad
that I did. Alot of people really like my stuff and really like my drum tracks
especially. So now I have the best of both worlds for playing. Just need more time.
(\"Roofies\"...YES!...alcohol, never) (How else is Shreddie going to get her ankles behind her ears!)
Would that work? :shock:
Really though..I think the only thing that'd get this honey interested in me would be Bill Gates money, Bill Clinton charisma...
Anyway - I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm just gonna have some fun playing with the chix, and do my own stuff on my own time. Maybe when we get our show list down, I can get them to try some other stuff... 8)
I WISH it was that easy! And if f I ran her over 'tou-style - animal-style - I think it'd be a little too much like what she usually gets :? ...like I said, she gets a lot of attention from the boys, and she hates it when they get touchy and she doesn't want them too... :roll:
But...given the environment I'm in, I'm still leaning towards patience and tolerance of their shortcomings. If for no other reason than to have some play-mates, get out and do some public performance, and have women sleep with me just to prove to the hott singer that they can. :twisted:
I agree with this. I've played in quite a few bands that weren't doing what I love musically, but I can tolerate it and grow to like it, and it helps me expand my own point of view and horizons. Of course, any kind of musical endeavor is personally gratifying.
To that end, I will make this comment one more time and leave it up to you to absorb it or ignore it.
Be the leader. Be the man of the group - since you are anyway, might as well act the part. Lead by example, challenge mediocrity, and call and raise any challenge to your musical inclinations.
I believe this makes you more attractive to women; whether you're seriously interested in your rhythm guitarist, or just want to take advantage of the fact that you're in a band with two cute girls and that makes you socially and romantically more desirable, that's something that ought to be done.
That said, this goes for any group you're in. If you were in a group with two other guys, and one of them couldn't quite sing, the other knew a whole four chords and played them over and over, would you not try to do something about the situation? Would you not correct the first when he is off-pitch and help him practice the correct notes? Would you not show the second some new chords, or variations on chords that he already knows, and tell him where they can be useful and more appropriate than the ones he's already familiar with? I'm assuming the answer is yes - so why is it any different with the two women? Leadership is not gender-reliant (and let's not forget the 19th amendment), and I strongly believe that whoever has the most practical potential and theoretical knowledge to back it up should step up to the plate and be the leader of the group. In the given situation, shredd, that's you.
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Had a good jam with the girls last night. And it appears my influence is starting to emerge.
For one, the songbird finally admitted that she doesn't really know much about guitar, and is hassling me less for pointing out mistakes that actually matter.
In addition, I have her warming to the idea that we sound better with her singing and me playing, since what we're doing rarely requires two git'rs.
And...while we're focusing our attention on the \"wedding gig\" setlist, I'm getting her interested in stuff other than drippy country music, which is what she likes. Once that gig is over, I'm going to get her into some transitional styles of music that'll get her going down the road to being my RUSH slave. :twisted: Or at least some chick rock.
She's also agreed to come over and do some stuff in my 'studio', so I can finally wrap up the half dozen songs I have in the can that require female vox. Or at least someone who can actually sing. :oops:
Sadly, I've still been unable to get her ankles behind her ears. I guess I'll haveta let iliace have a crack at her...since no woman can resist his \"Mystery\" charms... :P
Meanwhile...the bass player - my ex - has a new b/f who she's gaga over, and between that and her already frantic lifestyle, she's playing worse and worse. :shock: Maybe one of youse guyz can straighten her out...
Had a good jam with the girls last night. And it appears my influence is starting to emerge.
For one, the songbird finally admitted that she doesn't really know much about guitar, and is hassling me less for pointing out mistakes that actually matter.
Awesome. See? Hang in there, and you may get your way anyway.
Meanwhile...the bass player - my ex - has a new b/f who she's gaga over, and between that and her already frantic lifestyle, she's playing worse and worse. :shock: Maybe one of youse guyz can straighten her out...
Are you sure that she's not uncomfortable with you in the band, and is sounding worse to make it sound like you're the problem? Her new boyfriend might have a problem with you being next to your ex more time than he is. Just a \"heads up\" that you might want to nip before it becomes an issue.
Sounds like things, overall, are improving. If you can record yourselves on the GNX4, make a copy of your songs minus the bass and give the music to your ex to practice bass with at home. Then have her record her bass onto the GNX4 and play back your song. If she is really weak, she will be able to hear it herself on the recording. Also, you may dodge the bullet and your songbird may mention to your ex that she needs to hone her chops on the bass before the gig. That way you get out of the loop with that problem. Take care.
Are you sure that she's not uncomfortable with you in the band, and is sounding worse to make it sound like you're the problem? Her new boyfriend might have a problem with you being next to your ex more time than he is. Just a \"heads up\" that you might want to nip before it becomes an issue.
Good observation, and something that would be a typical problem. But I don't think so here...the only reason I'd even consider a group like that is because my ex n I are on very good terms (it's been 6 years! :shock: ).There's no animosity or any such thing, and we get along pretty well. I'm sure she's told her new b/f that I'm a non-factor.
I think she's playing poorly cuz she sux, not cuz she's nervous or uncomfortable. And, frankly, I don't think she needs to be told. What she does need to do is put some effort into improving...and I don't think she's unaware of that either. The two chix did a little show on Saturday nite and they both told me it was an absolute train wreck. :?
That's when I took the opportunity to tactfully point out some of the subtler issues g has been pointing out - that you can't just \"wing\" an act or even a gig, and some planning and preparation is involved. I proposed creating setlists and putting more time into rehearsal, both independently and as a group, so we have our material down, instead of hacking through it at the show. Stuff like that.
I think I sorta caught them at the right time, having just been through a bad show, to listen to some new (better?) ideas. This just might work out after all!!
Now if I could just get this girl's ankles behind her ears...lawdy she's hott!! :twisted:
Sounds like things, overall, are improving. If you can record yourselves on the GNX4, make a copy of your songs minus the bass and give the music to your ex to practice bass with at home. Then have her record her bass onto the GNX4 and play back your song. If she is really weak, she will be able to hear it herself on the recording. Also, you may dodge the bullet and your songbird may mention to your ex that she needs to hone her chops on the bass before the gig. That way you get out of the loop with that problem. Take care.
Things are improving...maybe we just needed a little time together to get the gears meshed. Now I just need to get the one to learn how to play her bass. Fer cryin' out loud, I play bass better than she does, and she's been taking lessons for over a year. :shock:
So, I don't really know how to put it to her. She knows she's not really solid on it, but my nagging her to practice isn't going to happen.
Funny thing is, while she wants to be better, it's still more about the fun for her. It's when they have one of those \"train-wreck\" shows that she really starts thinking about her ability. I think the same goes for the songbird...she likes the fun part of playing, but when I get behind that, it's clear that she wants it to sound good too. So at least I've got that to play on...so maybe I'm going to be the \"serious\" :roll: musician in the group, and push the others to be better??
Keep the focus on the fun part. Explain to them that as they get better, on the bass, for example, they will have even more fun with the song and playing in front of people. When I get to the point where I have playing the song down cold, I really start to enjoy the other aspects of playing live. I still have to look at my cheet sheets for some songs, and that always effects my ability to jump around the stage and get into the other action. But when I have practiced and played any song enough so that my fingers remember what to do, I don't think about the playing anymore and just have so much more fun on stage. So get a copy of your music minus the bass track to your ex and tell her that if she really wants to have fun on stage, she needs to practice the song(s) until she doesn't even have to think about it anymore. That is when the real fun truely begins, IMHO.
I am glad to hear that things are going better. Take care.
Congrats on having patience. I remember being on the learning end of the curve and also being on the leadership end of curve and with the pressure of a gig around the corner it doesn't make it any easier. But when I get into a situation where I'm playing with less skilled players, I have to think back and remember that I was once the not so skilled player myself. Someone gave me a break and had the patience to allow me the opportunity to step up to the plate. And for that I am forever grateful. Yes there will be situations where it's obviously not going to work
and you should bail. But a large part of being in a band is learning and also teaching and passing on what you know and have learned and not just as a guitar player. And by doing so you will gain even greater knowledge than you might be aware of. Just like any other job situation, I would rather play with a bit less skilled player that is willing to and puts forth the effort to improve, than play with the egomaniac hotshot who knows everything, at least in their mind, and is only concerned about them. I recently talked to a drummer I used to play with about 15 years ago that I haven't talked to in about 8 years. And he thanked me because 2 divorces later and having the time to get back into playing which neither of his exe's would allow, He got it. He got what I was trying to teach him about basics and all the reasons for it. To me that was worth it. Today he is playing with total confidence and I played a part in that. What could be better? Instant gratifications are usually gone in an instance, Lifetime gratifications, well they can take many years of nurturing but when they manifest themselves, will be there for the rest of your life. And yes I know this probably sounds abit mushy, but it is for real.
I agree with 'mj, especially about the collective passing back n forth of experience. That's one of the great things about playing, is sharing it with others. It's fun, and there's also the camaraderie thing. And if you can have a positive influence on someone, as 'mj did, that'd be very rewarding.
I often perform in the company of better individuals, as I do when I play hockey. That makes you better. I've had limited experience being \"the good one\" in a situation; I find it gives you a certain confidence, and allows you to perform with less pressure on yourself.
So...I've chosen patience - not my strongest virtue - with these chix, to see if we improve as a group, while we have fun & play out some (with the associated benefits). I think the songbird has huge potential to be a real asset to the group, while the bassist can at least be a contributing element, if she keeps her focus on it. That won't be easy, what with her having a new b/f and all.
And who knows, I may get that girls' ankles up one of these days... :twisted:
Good for you Shredd, Now your on a different learning curve. And Not one necessarily of a guitar player or musican, but as a bandleader. And you will find that you will learn how to determine the strengths they have to offer and how to bring it out of them and with that, one day down the road you'll be playing along with them and all of a sudden when you least expect it, you'll think Wow, this sounds really good. And then you'll know one of the other great pleasures of playing music. And that moment can't be taken away from you. Then you'll also have that to take forward with you in whatever else you choose to do. It's a very powerful thing and can make almost everything else seem, Trivial.
Had a good jam with the girls last night. And it appears my influence is starting to emerge.
For one, the songbird finally admitted that she doesn't really know much about guitar, and is hassling me less for pointing out mistakes that actually matter.
In addition, I have her warming to the idea that we sound better with her singing and me playing, since what we're doing rarely requires two git'rs.
And...while we're focusing our attention on the \"wedding gig\" setlist, I'm getting her interested in stuff other than drippy country music, which is what she likes.
That's my man right there. You da man. You tell them ho's, be like, yo that's what's up. I'm the shiznit. Y'all listen or I smack you down, woman. Get yourself together or else I find a hotter biatch to be my main ho.
Okay iliace, That's all fun talk between the guy's, but I bet you wouldn't
talk that way to Bonnie Raitt or Nancy Wilson. Which leads me to another fork in the road. Where are all the women players? I'm sure there have to be a few roamin these forums. Or have we just made it simply a boys club with all the sexist banter? I've played with a few outstanding female
guitarist's in my time that I'm sure would give any of us guy's a good run
for the money so to speak. After all isn't Jennifer Batten a Digitech endorsed artist. I'm really curious as to what she might have to say, or is she simply saying it by not saying anything? Seeing her live with Jeff Beck truly opened my eyes as to what a midi controlled guitar rig was all about.
If there was only one truely underated guitarist in the world, Jennifer Batten would be that guitarist in my book.
...Where are all the women players? I'm sure there have to be a few roamin these forums. Or have we just made it simply a boys club with all the sexist banter?....
I don't think we have made this a boys club because of some sexist banter that gets added to the threads. Of all the local (working) musicians around here in bands, I only know two females in bands. One plays bass and the other sings. We would love to have a female vocalist/keyboardist in our band because it would open up alot of other music to us. But it probably won't happen. The women around here don't seem too interested in playing in a working band. Maybe they just have other priorities then playing in a bar band or hanging around these discussion forums. But it sure would be nice to hear a female perspective on some of these issues so I hope we don't run them off with our comments. Best wishes.
That's my man right there. You da man. You tell them ho's, be like, yo that's what's up. I'm the shiznit. Y'all listen or I smack you down, woman. Get yourself together or else I find a hotter biatch to be my main ho.
How 'bout that.
I guess, in short, it would be : Gotta keep your beaches in line
That's my man right there. You da man. You tell them ho's, be like, yo that's what's up. I'm the shiznit. Y'all listen or I smack you down, woman. Get yourself together or else I find a hotter biatch to be my main ho.
How 'bout that.
Yeah, definitely. That's how I talk to women, gets 'em moist every time. :roll:
Actually, I think 'mj and 'taus have nailed it...women aren't typically interested in forums, bands, etc. And it's not 'cuz they don't have the ability or talent; they're just not interested. I don't even think it's the \"sexist\" issue...we all know that chix talk just as nasty - or worse - when they're with each other as we do.
It reminds me of the days of yore when women's hockey hadn't really emerged yet, and chix who could skate had to play hockey with us guys, in co-ed leagues. Most of them were \"pretenders\" - chix that wanted to do something with their b/f's, or pose themselves as tough, sporty chix, or secretly wished they were a guy. BUT...amongst them all were a handful of chix that could REALLY play the game - they were as good or better than most of the guys - and they commanded respect and admirations for their abilities, if not their femininity :shock: .
Point being, I'd have Ann Wilson in my band, before Carciello or iliace or g or any of youse ax-slingers. 'Cuz she is what she is - a frickin' smokin' git'r player.
Now, picture if you will, ilicae at rehearsal, telling Ann W \"I'm the shiznit...\"
thanks alot guys :shock: i'm stuck at work now thinking of Ann and Nancy..............and then the mention of Joan Jett...........which automatically makes me think of Lita Ford and her doubleneck bich
I think it is just a matter of numbers. How many male gtr/slingers are there compared to female? Then out of that # how many have a gnx or other digitech device? Considering how many male gtr/slingers have a digitech device, makes me wonder why there is only 10 - 15 regulars here? Then you may throw in the fact that most of them chicks have a guy behind them or next to them depending on your point of view, who is supplying them with their tech info. So they don't have to go in search of help. jmo
When I was deep into the dog training world 50% of the posters were women. So I would think that it isn't that they aren't interested in forums. But where their numbers are.
And then their is age. Give or take a decade or so, It seems to me that most of us here are around the half a century mark! ( boy I hate saying that )
But that is funny that jamming mention that, I was considering starting a thread on that very topic several days ago. There are a few female gtr/slingers I admire! ( And they play a decent guitar too! 8) ) When I sit and try to play one of their tunes, it just naws at me that I want play like a chick! :shock:
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Harrrumph hud garert enh ragga (gibberish-gibberish) slobber!
Garrrrrrrrrrh ha huh! Iga raggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hof Harrr ruf!
(translation)
Gimme just 5 minutes with that ##$$~* prique!
That's all I ask! I'd staple his face to his a$$, so every time he
sits down he'll eat crap! :evil:
We have musicians in this area as well, that only wish to validate their talent with smiles, and a good time in their own community. I was married to a uber talented babe. She played guitar and sang as good as some stars you hear on albums. She was a real exciting entertainer, by herself...and whenever others joined in,... it was insane! Lots of great memories. She too was only interested in having fun with her music, and had no commercial interest.
I remember now...I quit guitar when I hooked up with her. Next to her... I really...really sucked.
and at 100w Marshall volume too. :oops:
...well...now she's gone...soooooooooo... got me another guitar... 8)
I Never met a woman that could resist Chocolate.
I never believed in \"getting her hammered\", though it has worked in the past - I'd like to think for other reason (they all call back sober). Anything you're willing to do under the influence you should be willing to do sober, otherwise you're not getting anywhere.
Good luck, either way.
I'm semi-dating one now. I'm sure there are others out there. Sometimes it hurts your chances trying for the stereotypical \"girly\" thing, as your intention becomes all too clear for her tastes. It's best to find out where the weakness is, rather than generalize it. After all, she wants to be treated as unique, not a piece of flesh that men go googoo-gaga for each time she enters the room.
I'd have to go with the more direct approach. This \"romance stuff\" is BS.
Chase her down, tackle her, and get all animal on her.
If it goes to Court...tell the Judge...
\"your Honor...she kept yelling... DON'T... STOP!\"
Looks fade.....stick to your music.
On the one hand, it'd be really nice to fall into a band or find jam-mates who're really into being good, and play music I like. But this is East Bumblef**k, and to find someone who can do more than finger a g-string is a miracle. :?
In that light, I'm glad to have some people to play with, even if they are marginally talented (except for the one girls' voice) and play country-chick music.
On the other hand...it seems pointless to play music that isn't challenging or particularly interesting. Even if it is with a coupla cute chix.
In that light, I could easily forego playing with them and focus on my own musical interests.
But...given the environment I'm in, I'm still leaning towards patience and tolerance of their shortcomings. If for no other reason than to have some play-mates, get out and do some public performance, and have women sleep with me just to prove to the hott singer that they can. :twisted:
In the mean time work on your own stuff. I don't have alot of time to put together any thing, but I have a few people I do play with ocassionally.
I put together midi bass and drum tracks for my songs. With my laptop loaded with Sonar and having the Software synth in it, sometimes I go play by myself,Sometimes I play with just a bass player and use my drum tracks and sometimes I go play with a drummer friend of mine and use only the bass tracks. Sometimes when the planets line up I get to play with a live drummer and bassist. But I can at least play when I have the time. There are all kinds of sites to get midi files. Some are'nt good, alot of them are really good and usable with a little tweaking. I was hesitant about using midi tracks but was encouraged by a couple of friends of mine who play violin and guitar to CD rhythem tracks. I'm glad
that I did. Alot of people really like my stuff and really like my drum tracks
especially. So now I have the best of both worlds for playing. Just need more time.
(\"Roofies\"...YES!...alcohol, never)
(How else is Shreddie going to get her ankles behind her ears!)
Really though..I think the only thing that'd get this honey interested in me would be Bill Gates money, Bill Clinton charisma...
Anyway - I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm just gonna have some fun playing with the chix, and do my own stuff on my own time. Maybe when we get our show list down, I can get them to try some other stuff... 8)
I WISH it was that easy! And if f I ran her over 'tou-style - animal-style - I think it'd be a little too much like what she usually gets :? ...like I said, she gets a lot of attention from the boys, and she hates it when they get touchy and she doesn't want them too... :roll:
I agree with this. I've played in quite a few bands that weren't doing what I love musically, but I can tolerate it and grow to like it, and it helps me expand my own point of view and horizons. Of course, any kind of musical endeavor is personally gratifying.
To that end, I will make this comment one more time and leave it up to you to absorb it or ignore it.
Be the leader. Be the man of the group - since you are anyway, might as well act the part. Lead by example, challenge mediocrity, and call and raise any challenge to your musical inclinations.
I believe this makes you more attractive to women; whether you're seriously interested in your rhythm guitarist, or just want to take advantage of the fact that you're in a band with two cute girls and that makes you socially and romantically more desirable, that's something that ought to be done.
That said, this goes for any group you're in. If you were in a group with two other guys, and one of them couldn't quite sing, the other knew a whole four chords and played them over and over, would you not try to do something about the situation? Would you not correct the first when he is off-pitch and help him practice the correct notes? Would you not show the second some new chords, or variations on chords that he already knows, and tell him where they can be useful and more appropriate than the ones he's already familiar with? I'm assuming the answer is yes - so why is it any different with the two women? Leadership is not gender-reliant (and let's not forget the 19th amendment), and I strongly believe that whoever has the most practical potential and theoretical knowledge to back it up should step up to the plate and be the leader of the group. In the given situation, shredd, that's you.
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For one, the songbird finally admitted that she doesn't really know much about guitar, and is hassling me less for pointing out mistakes that actually matter.
In addition, I have her warming to the idea that we sound better with her singing and me playing, since what we're doing rarely requires two git'rs.
And...while we're focusing our attention on the \"wedding gig\" setlist, I'm getting her interested in stuff other than drippy country music, which is what she likes. Once that gig is over, I'm going to get her into some transitional styles of music that'll get her going down the road to being my RUSH slave. :twisted: Or at least some chick rock.
She's also agreed to come over and do some stuff in my 'studio', so I can finally wrap up the half dozen songs I have in the can that require female vox. Or at least someone who can actually sing. :oops:
Sadly, I've still been unable to get her ankles behind her ears. I guess I'll haveta let iliace have a crack at her...since no woman can resist his \"Mystery\" charms... :P
Meanwhile...the bass player - my ex - has a new b/f who she's gaga over, and between that and her already frantic lifestyle, she's playing worse and worse. :shock: Maybe one of youse guyz can straighten her out...
Awesome. See? Hang in there, and you may get your way anyway.
Are you sure that she's not uncomfortable with you in the band, and is sounding worse to make it sound like you're the problem? Her new boyfriend might have a problem with you being next to your ex more time than he is. Just a \"heads up\" that you might want to nip before it becomes an issue.
I think she's playing poorly cuz she sux, not cuz she's nervous or uncomfortable. And, frankly, I don't think she needs to be told. What she does need to do is put some effort into improving...and I don't think she's unaware of that either. The two chix did a little show on Saturday nite and they both told me it was an absolute train wreck. :?
That's when I took the opportunity to tactfully point out some of the subtler issues g has been pointing out - that you can't just \"wing\" an act or even a gig, and some planning and preparation is involved. I proposed creating setlists and putting more time into rehearsal, both independently and as a group, so we have our material down, instead of hacking through it at the show. Stuff like that.
I think I sorta caught them at the right time, having just been through a bad show, to listen to some new (better?) ideas. This just might work out after all!!
Now if I could just get this girl's ankles behind her ears...lawdy she's hott!! :twisted:
So, I don't really know how to put it to her. She knows she's not really solid on it, but my nagging her to practice isn't going to happen.
Funny thing is, while she wants to be better, it's still more about the fun for her. It's when they have one of those \"train-wreck\" shows that she really starts thinking about her ability. I think the same goes for the songbird...she likes the fun part of playing, but when I get behind that, it's clear that she wants it to sound good too. So at least I've got that to play on...so maybe I'm going to be the \"serious\" :roll: musician in the group, and push the others to be better??
I am glad to hear that things are going better. Take care.
and you should bail. But a large part of being in a band is learning and also teaching and passing on what you know and have learned and not just as a guitar player. And by doing so you will gain even greater knowledge than you might be aware of. Just like any other job situation, I would rather play with a bit less skilled player that is willing to and puts forth the effort to improve, than play with the egomaniac hotshot who knows everything, at least in their mind, and is only concerned about them. I recently talked to a drummer I used to play with about 15 years ago that I haven't talked to in about 8 years. And he thanked me because 2 divorces later and having the time to get back into playing which neither of his exe's would allow, He got it. He got what I was trying to teach him about basics and all the reasons for it. To me that was worth it. Today he is playing with total confidence and I played a part in that. What could be better? Instant gratifications are usually gone in an instance, Lifetime gratifications, well they can take many years of nurturing but when they manifest themselves, will be there for the rest of your life. And yes I know this probably sounds abit mushy, but it is for real.
I often perform in the company of better individuals, as I do when I play hockey. That makes you better. I've had limited experience being \"the good one\" in a situation; I find it gives you a certain confidence, and allows you to perform with less pressure on yourself.
So...I've chosen patience - not my strongest virtue - with these chix, to see if we improve as a group, while we have fun & play out some (with the associated benefits). I think the songbird has huge potential to be a real asset to the group, while the bassist can at least be a contributing element, if she keeps her focus on it. That won't be easy, what with her having a new b/f and all.
And who knows, I may get that girls' ankles up one of these days... :twisted:
How 'bout that.
talk that way to Bonnie Raitt or Nancy Wilson. Which leads me to another fork in the road. Where are all the women players? I'm sure there have to be a few roamin these forums. Or have we just made it simply a boys club with all the sexist banter? I've played with a few outstanding female
guitarist's in my time that I'm sure would give any of us guy's a good run
for the money so to speak. After all isn't Jennifer Batten a Digitech endorsed artist. I'm really curious as to what she might have to say, or is she simply saying it by not saying anything? Seeing her live with Jeff Beck truly opened my eyes as to what a midi controlled guitar rig was all about.
If there was only one truely underated guitarist in the world, Jennifer Batten would be that guitarist in my book.
I don't think we have made this a boys club because of some sexist banter that gets added to the threads. Of all the local (working) musicians around here in bands, I only know two females in bands. One plays bass and the other sings. We would love to have a female vocalist/keyboardist in our band because it would open up alot of other music to us. But it probably won't happen. The women around here don't seem too interested in playing in a working band. Maybe they just have other priorities then playing in a bar band or hanging around these discussion forums. But it sure would be nice to hear a female perspective on some of these issues so I hope we don't run them off with our comments. Best wishes.
I guess, in short, it would be : Gotta keep your beaches in line
Actually, I think 'mj and 'taus have nailed it...women aren't typically interested in forums, bands, etc. And it's not 'cuz they don't have the ability or talent; they're just not interested. I don't even think it's the \"sexist\" issue...we all know that chix talk just as nasty - or worse - when they're with each other as we do.
It reminds me of the days of yore when women's hockey hadn't really emerged yet, and chix who could skate had to play hockey with us guys, in co-ed leagues. Most of them were \"pretenders\" - chix that wanted to do something with their b/f's, or pose themselves as tough, sporty chix, or secretly wished they were a guy. BUT...amongst them all were a handful of chix that could REALLY play the game - they were as good or better than most of the guys - and they commanded respect and admirations for their abilities, if not their femininity :shock: .
Point being, I'd have Ann Wilson in my band, before Carciello or iliace or g or any of youse ax-slingers. 'Cuz she is what she is - a frickin' smokin' git'r player.
Now, picture if you will, ilicae at rehearsal, telling Ann W \"I'm the shiznit...\"
When I was deep into the dog training world 50% of the posters were women. So I would think that it isn't that they aren't interested in forums. But where their numbers are.
And then their is age. Give or take a decade or so, It seems to me that most of us here are around the half a century mark! ( boy I hate saying that )
But that is funny that jamming mention that, I was considering starting a thread on that very topic several days ago. There are a few female gtr/slingers I admire! ( And they play a decent guitar too! 8) ) When I sit and try to play one of their tunes, it just naws at me that I want play like a chick! :shock: