How do you choose (yes, CHOOSE) between guitars???
I presently have two electric git'rs.
One is a cherry Ibanez RG3. Two EMG-designed H's. Hardtail. Gorgeous ax.
The other is a standard issue Jackson Performer, S-S-H w/the singles replaced w/Ibanez S1's. Fl/Rose lis'd, locked into place.
Both have 24 frets, rosewood f/boards. The Ibanez is prettier, but the Jackson has fine tuners and locking nut. 8)
Here's the choice - the 'binez plays beautifully - nicer than the Jackson - but sounds like crap 'cuz of the EMG-design p'ups, probably.
The Jackson doesn't play quite as sweet, but sounds much better, especially throug h the GNX.
My real problem is that I'm not a stellar enough player to justify multiple electrics. Maybe if Shania would come over and jam with me. :roll:
But I'd kinda like to keep it to one of each instrument (I also have a Dean el/ac, a Peavey Grind Bass, and a Roland Juno-60).
Any thoughts? If nothing else, I'd like to hear about the discussions you married guys have with your wives trying to justify 11 git'rs.
One is a cherry Ibanez RG3. Two EMG-designed H's. Hardtail. Gorgeous ax.
The other is a standard issue Jackson Performer, S-S-H w/the singles replaced w/Ibanez S1's. Fl/Rose lis'd, locked into place.
Both have 24 frets, rosewood f/boards. The Ibanez is prettier, but the Jackson has fine tuners and locking nut. 8)
Here's the choice - the 'binez plays beautifully - nicer than the Jackson - but sounds like crap 'cuz of the EMG-design p'ups, probably.
The Jackson doesn't play quite as sweet, but sounds much better, especially throug h the GNX.
My real problem is that I'm not a stellar enough player to justify multiple electrics. Maybe if Shania would come over and jam with me. :roll:
But I'd kinda like to keep it to one of each instrument (I also have a Dean el/ac, a Peavey Grind Bass, and a Roland Juno-60).
Any thoughts? If nothing else, I'd like to hear about the discussions you married guys have with your wives trying to justify 11 git'rs.
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Doesn't Shania always have her Mutt with her? :?
Those married guys lie to their wives....and hide sheit. Half of those guitars belong to their single Bass player...even though he is not allowed to touch them. They are all pathetic beaten down dead men walking. It's best to remain single.
Meanwhile, Your replies have me considering my options.
Like Iliace and ed', I like having more than one ax - not only is it fun, but I like having git'rs with different sounds.
But...I have limitations on space, I don't own a home anymore, I have less time to commit to playing - and maintaining/restringing - multiple git'rs. While it's a pipe dream, I'd love to have one electric that'd keep me happy. :roll:
Each of these two git'rs has unique qualities; the reason it's so hard to let go of the Jackson is that it's S-S-H (which I really like) and with the F/Rose locked, I have a \"fixed\" bridge AND fine-tuners, and it stays in tune better than the 'binez.
But the 'binez is REALly good-lookin', and plays very nice. With better pups, it'd sound a lot better, although I'd really miss having a single coil.
I know I could upgrade the pups in the 'binez, and it'd sound better...but it still wouldn't have a single coil/s, and no fine tuners.
Still...both are fine git'rs. It's a really tough choice. Its like having Jenn and Shania in the hot tub and having them ask you to choose one of them, so the other can go run off with the pool boy. :?
I've even considered selling both and finding a new git'r, one that has hard tail, fine tuners, at least one single coil, 24 frets, neck through...blah blah...and uner $500 too. :roll: I'd be better off asking Jenn for hot tub dates.
So...still under consideration. Keep those ideas and opinions coming, it helps me consider the whole idea.
Although I'm still not considering being married, unless I can marry ednrg's wifes' sister, who'll let me play without nagging me for buying strings in ten-packs.
Plus, Jenn's still holding out on me. Sigh...
I once owned SEVEN guitars and acoustics, without even owning a bass:
'78 Gibson ES355
'82 Gibson ES345
'72 Fender Strat
'78 Ibanez Musician MC300
Washburn 12-strg acoustic
Ibanez acoustic
Les Paul copy (beater)
I'd give my eye teeth to have any of those electrics now...I think about the Gibsons and drool in my sleep. :evil: The 355 was the \"expensive\" one, I paid the princely sum of $450 for it. :shock: :roll: :evil: :evil: :evil:
'Course, having thousands of bux worth of git'rs does tend to make her feel entitled to her own goodies, which of course YOU pay for. Ah, wedded bliss... :roll:
I'll also hold onto your Jessica Alba poster collection.
You could change your Ibanez to the JS1000 set up. It uses two Dimarzio humbuckers with coil taps. As you know?.. coil taps allow you to run a humbucker like a single coil.
You can wire a switch to engage the coil tap option so you can switch back and forth (toggle) between sounds. The JS 1000 uses a Push/Pull Knob. More than one pickup can be coil tapped on a guitar too. Both are tapped on the JS 1000.
On the JS 1000...you have a three way switch.
Coil tap off...neck/bucker---both/bucker---bridge/bucker
(three-way).....forward...........center..............back
Coil tap on...neck/single---both/single---bridge/single
The Ibanez catalog will layout all the functions for you. It's on like page 23 or so. http://www.ibanez.com/eg/
Just one man's opinioin 8)
BUT...the Jackson has that S-S-H setup, and the fine tuners and locking nut on the locked F/Rose.
If I could somehow do the mods on the 'binez that would allow me to have the sound (like 'tou suggested) and the locking/fine tuners. I'd be cooking with gas. Any ideas? How much would all that cost?? :shock:
If I could do that, and put someo kind of locking nut and/or fine tuner setup on the 'binez, then the choice would be easy...
PS I'll trade you BOTH of my git'rs for:
My JS1000 uses DiMarzio's. It has the Fred (F-spaced) for the Bridge...and the PAF for the Neck. I think you can buy these in a set called the Satch set for a couple hunnert.
Both controls on the JS are push/pull coil taps. They are a great addition.
I have a couple coil taps on my Peavey amp too, for mucho mo variations.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/DiMarzio-250K-Custom-Taper-Split-Shaft-Pot-PushPull?sku=364668
My 'binez doesn't have a F/Rose...it's hard-tailed, string-thru-body. Nut width 1-11/16\", string width at saddles 2-1/16\"/52mm. Should it have F-spaced, in either bridge or neck or both?
Also - the JS1000...are the two controls both volume, or are they volume/tone? And do you know where I could get a wiring diagram to make both pups \"tap-able\"?
Tasty Ax, BTW...
http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm
http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringresources.1basicwiringfaqs
http://www.guitarelectronics.com/category/wiringresources.22pickupdiagrams
http://alexplorer.net/guitar/mods/coiltap.html
http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/pickcomb.htm
http://www.excellentleads.com/Splitting_the_humbucker_inst.html
That might answer most of your questions.
I do have the JS schematic somewhere,
I'll need to give my files a full cavity search....
and make it cough.
JS...back control is a Tone control w/Coil Tap.
......front one is a Volume control w/High Pass Filter.
With the JS...you pull the Tone control up for coil tapping,
and use the selector switch for
single Neck, or both single, or single bridge.
With the coil tap off, (Tone control pushed down)
you are then able to select Humbuckers.
The High Pass Filter works like a preamp coil tap.
I think your guitar would use the F-spaced...but I'll check into that
and give you a definitive answer, if you let me have
Milla Jovovich's email address.
...or at least Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat's where abouts. I need to find her and tell her...
\"I'd even pay.\" .....H-E-L-L ...I wouldn't use protection either.
But how do you be sure you're wiring in the correct phase? I want coil-tapping, not bizarre phase-reversal sounds...
And how do you chooose which coil is heard when you \"tap\"?
Are you sure you won't just come down here and wire this dam thing for me??? I'll have Milla stop by and keep you company while you work. But her hair won't be orange. :shock:
On the bridge pick up, you tap the bottom coil. (cut out...so only the upper single coil is active)
(Coil tapping basically means you are temporarily cutting out one coil on a humbucker.)
I know there is a lot of \"extra\" info on those links. It doesn't hurt to get a general idea of your other pick up options, but all your coil tap stuff is in there.
It is a lengthy job you'd be looking to do. It's a lot of work, even if you already know what you are doing. If you are dead set on wiring up a JS configuration, I'll see what I can do to help you through it. I think I have the JS wiring schematic somewhere. But, if nothing else...I can just pull the inspection plate off mine, and draw one up.
Those links I gave you do explain the pick ups and parts and how they wire up. There are only so many wires, and nothing should explode...but I'd be careful in cutting the blue wire...no...I mean the red wire... NO WAIT....WAIT :shock: ..the blooo no...okay...okay...cut the .................ummm.... :oops:
AWWW just cut the red wi--
Well, I think I can surely figure out how to do the wiring for 2 'buckers.
What I want to be sure to do right is put the coil-tap pot/s in right. Now, I only need a push/pull pot for the volume control, not the tone control, right? I don't intend to put the high-pass filter on the tone control that the JS has...
So...if you come up with the wiring diagram for the JS, scan it and send it to me.
I've decided to rebuild the 'binez for better sound, and THEN decide which git'r to keep. If I can get good single coil sound out of tapping the 'buckers, and the thing'll stay in tune adequately, then I'm going to keep the 'binez and sell the Jackson.
So which git'r would make me look better to Jenn???
The single coil hum.
I need to find out more about this as well. Haven't really thought about it...until now. I'll pull my JS apart tomorrow...and see if the gutz speak to me.
Reading some of that info I listed...it says...
If you combine the working coil with another single coil wound in the opposite direction (say, the neck-most coil of one pickup with the bridge-most coil on the other pickup) you will achieve a hum-cancelling configuration.
But the JS isn't like that....soooo...?
Oh great...it's bedtime...I suppose I'll dream now about wiring stinking guitars all night. I need to get busy and fantasize about ......Jamie Pressly
see ya.......:D
That's what I'd try to do - wire the tapped coils opposite, to cancel hum. Does the hum-cancelling still work if you've only got one pup running via the 3-way switch?
Are you SURE you don't wanna just come down here and wire the thing for me? How 'bout if I have Jamie here to amuse you??
I've never wired up this config before myself...so you are in as good a spot with this as I am. I'll still send you a bill for my time. I think for now you only owe me a couple stout insults and a snub or two.
I agree you don't need the High Pass Filter off the Volume control. That is like a preamp gain control, if you plug into an amp and things are muddy.
You can hit the filter and cut diamonds.
Just need to wire you up to a couple hot humbuckers with a coil tap pot off the Tone control, to split them into singles, and give you neck-both-bridge off your selection switch. Gotta be hot hummers though. Splitting soft hummers will do no good. You will end up with crappy weak singles. Won't affect my final bill though.
I'm at the Fruit Processor right now, unloading Apples. When I get home tonight, I'll pop the hood on my JS and see what I can see. I have a feeling they just have stuff shielded real good...to cut down single coil noise. All you need to really do...is remove all the noise making interference stuff from your practice area too, for that matter.
Anyway... :? ...want an Apple?
So...I decided that I'd probably go with 500K's, since that's what HB's usually use; 250K's are for Strats.
All I really need to figure out is precisely how to tap the coils properly in order to have them hum-cancel with each other, and of course get the right coil on each pup tapped. And of course I need to choose/find the right push/pull or push/push pot/switch combo, and get the appropriate wiring diagram. Then I think I'm good to go.
Send me the bill...I'll pay you in Milla J pics. 8)
All I gotta do now is pick out the right pups...so far, I'm inclined to go with DiMarzio PAF Pro's. I don't think the Fred is the sound I want, to much mid/high boost. I've got to get over to Harmony Central and do some reading up on pups.
'Course, I'm open to suggestions as to what pups everyone likes, and why. Metalheads and shredders need not respond - I'm not young enough or angry enough to be into that sound...
I think that schematic above is close to what you want.
I thought it would be easier to get schematics on this stuff.
What a pain in the tush. Not even my Ibanez manual shows any
wiring diagrams.
:roll: I can't tell the size of the capacitor on the Tone control,
(probably around .047 MF).
Thanks for doing the legwork, 'tou. I'd been on every tech and git'r wiring site I know of, and none of them had a diagram like this one. Just lots of diagrams for phase changes and weird combinations and stuff like that.
Now as long as I have the right wire colors for whatever pups I get, I'm sure I can handle this.
NOW...I need suggestions from all you guys about pups. I've got Harmony Central's site up and there's about 200 different pups reviewed, and that's just between SD and DiMarzio. :roll: It'd take me a month to read them all. So tell what pups you've put in what kind of git'r, what they sound like, why you like 'em...etc. Whoever's recommendation I take wins a date with Cameron Diaz. After she goes out with ME, that is.
The brown circuit board is the 3-way switch.
Bottom pot is the tone control.
You don't need to worry about the volume control...on the JS.
It has an extra cap and it's set up as the high pass filter.
The wiring diagram in the drawing is basically identical to the wiring on
the JS. That is why I entered the photo, so you'd see the basic similarity.
I assume you will be using either DiMarzio's or Seymour Duncan.
And that diagram w/the JS pics looks exactly like what I'm gonna do. So I think I can do it right...just gotta find pups and the right switch/pot to fit inside of my git'rs control cavity. Tone pot'll do the coil tapping, V control will just do V.
So...if I can't get you a date w/Milla, would my old EMG's do?
Who is he?
He says his name is Manitou.
He's cute...can he act?
No...but he says his pet Iguana is very talented.
Pet Iguana?
Yes...Iguana...he says it's about this big...
Ummmm...send him to my Milla-Villa tonight.
Next idiot question: I found a PAF Pro F-spaced for the bridge (I don't want a really \"hot\" or mid-boosted pup for the bridge...). So if the string width E-to-E at the neck pup is 48-49 mm, should I get a regular spaced or an F-spaced for that?
And why won't Cam return my phone calls? (saw her in a movie last night where she played a very sexy slutty party girl. HOTT. Now I'm thinking of her about every 11 seconds... :? )
PS did I mention that I played both the Jackson and the 'binez for a while tonight...Pepsi Challenge style. Still the same issue - 'binez feels nicer to play and is much prettier, but the Jackson stays in tune and has SC pups mid/neck... :? :?
The 'binez will be the better git'r overall, once it has a good set of pups...but it won't stay in tune!!! I'm gonna restring it tonight and try again tomorrow, and hope for better performance. I HATE playing an out of tune git'r, and if it's going out of tune all the time, I don't want anything to do with it...I hate tuning. Both doing it and hearing it. :evil: