Guitarists who everybody loves but we...er,don't
the Hendrix dis on my other post led me to this; there are many guitarists who are generally thought of as beyond criticism, I thought Jimi Hendrix...I was wrong, here are a few guys who I truly can't listen to, and at the top of the list is...
Carlos Santana, closely followed by...
SRV
Eric Clapton
Yngwe malmsteen
Mark Knopfler
Larry Coryell
Jimmy Page's solos, the riffs are great, as are the arrangements
The guys from Iron Maiden, oh and Judas Priest,
Gary Moore
with deep apologies if I've offended anyone, especially the guitarists themselves, who are bound to read this, unless they've got something better to do, like play for example.
Ian
Carlos Santana, closely followed by...
SRV
Eric Clapton
Yngwe malmsteen
Mark Knopfler
Larry Coryell
Jimmy Page's solos, the riffs are great, as are the arrangements
The guys from Iron Maiden, oh and Judas Priest,
Gary Moore
with deep apologies if I've offended anyone, especially the guitarists themselves, who are bound to read this, unless they've got something better to do, like play for example.
Ian
Comments
I don't agree with the rest of your list.
By the way, I'm pictured playing a 'Hello Kitty' Squier which everyone thinks I should buy in an ironic old bald guy type gesture. I think I'll just look like an old bald guy with a teenage girl's guitar.
Ian
Them's fightin words in Texas!
I grew up listening to both of these guys, trying to learn their solos lick for lick. I'm a better player today because of them. They inspired me.
Opinions vary of course, but those two are deserving legends of the guitar world.
I've got some Clapton stuff, I liked some of Journeyman, I liked it when he was forced into tight song structures with Cream,(I'm not talking about 'Crossroads', more 'Badge' and 'White Room' and 'Layla' still gets me after all these years, but the riff was Duane Allman's, and I also have an SRV album, although I can't remember what it's called. I like his brother though.
I have nothing but respect for Texans, and I would never dream of fighting with them over guitar players. With Clapton, I agree that he deserves to be a legend, he has influenced many people to start playing, as I have to admit, did SRV, but I just can't stand listening to them.
Who do you dislike who all your friends think is the hot tamale,(pathetic attempt at using American jargon there, sorry)?
Ian
By the way, thanks partch, since I've already set up an e-mail account, allokitty@kittymail.com (really) I think I have to buy the pink guitar!
......snif...(lower lip quiver) ...whimper...
There again, I really like It Bites
And the Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack.
And Todd Rundgren.
And the Arctic Monkeys, Arcade fire, Little Feat, Scritti Politti, King Biscuit Time, Judie Tzuke, Joni Mitchell, Imogen Heap and The Blue Nile, so my taste may be questioned at any time. I'm like a big human target with a Hello Kitty guitar,(decided).
Ian
:oops:
Maybe I'm too young to appreciate it? Who knows...
Lol you just squashed my favorite guitarist, two of my fav. bands and another of my fav. guitarists...
Maybe you just dont like metal. Because I dont think you should single out THE premiere and original shred guitarist (malmsteen) without considering the fact that many many many modern guitarists have been influenced immensely by him. Yngwie also drew more inspiration from classical composers than earlier rockers (with the exception maybe of Blackmoore).
The same argument applies to Maiden and Priest. They are two of the most influential and successful metal bands to date, and you perhaps should rephrase your argument to say: \"I cant stand virtuosity guitar playing in the context of heavy metal\".
I cant listen to:
Jazz guitar. Jazz sax is great though. I hate unskilled playing, or un disciplined playing.
I grew up listening to, and trying to emulate Ritchie Blackmore and Jimmy Page. There were some really good guitarists around then apart from the obvious. I saw Jon McLaughlin with Jack Bruce and the Larry Williams band, bored stiff by the music, but thrilled by the guitar playing. Albert Lee with Head, Hands and Feet, Tony McPhee with the Groundhogs, Kim Simmonds with Savoy Brown, Stan Webb with Chicken Shack, the incomparable Rory Gallagher with Taste, and Gary Moore with Skid Row,(the first Skid Row). These guys all played well, and we didn't really differentiate between the bands, we were just loved seeing bands. Get this for a triple bill - Genesis, King Crimson and folk-rockers Lindisfarne, or Black Sabbath supported by Chris 'Lady In Red' deBurgh.
I wasn't the one who dissed Hendrix by the way, I think he still remains the defining force in lots of today's playing, I wish I'd seen him live.
Ohmigawd...I'm sounding my age now! Sorry,
Ian
T.S. was one of my biggest influences ever!. I have a side group of mine playing on July 5th. Most of the set is Groundhog covers.
I agree with most of your comments and the way you put them. I have liked and was influenced by Clapton, but can't abide listening to him nowadays. Never cared for for SRV or Malmsteen et al. I would never say that they sucked....they just never floated my boat. There is a world of guitarists out there, and I'm still listening to as many as I can.
I'm a big fan of Alain Johannes from 11, but most people have never heard the band. Similar to the Groundhogs, in that they never have gotten, (yet), the rcognition they deserve. In general, I suppose it has everything to do with what the individual likes/dislikes. I take nothing away from anybodies tastes. You like what you like for your reasons.
Love his playing, but I think he stopped progressing as a guitarist 30 years ago..
Haven't heard a new lick from him in that time...Yet people always talk about him being king of the blues guitar..
I could go on and on, but I'll stop for fear of being stoned to death..
maybe you just don't like blues???
One of the things I really like about the first three (Santana, SRV and Clapton) is there sound is very distinct, alot of other guitarist sound the same.
Just my two cents.
Tal, you hit the nail on the head, you get in trouble when you disagree with popular opinion. Much as I love B.B. King for who he is, he remains,(oh dear) a one trick pony, it's a very good trick though. His voice is superb, and when he does that little 'ping' of the top A. But....he's the Louis Armstrong of guitar players. As far as 'King of the Blues' goes, who's top of your list right now. I don't listen to blues much these days, is there anyone good coming up?
And bababoey, I didn't do it on purpose, and believe me when I say that I do like the blues, as I've just said, I don't listen to much nowadays, and my idea of hell is a blues jam, but that's another story. I recognise the talent of our three amigos but as I say, just hate listening to them. Clapton in particular has some standout cringemaking bad stuff, yes 'Wonderful Tonight' I'm talking about you. God forbid I should hear anything from that Ocean Boulevard album again. He bores the legs off me now. However, in his defense, he has tried new things, and has been faithful to his blues roots and done much to bring it's origins and lineage to a wider audience.
Ian
Ian, I respect your opinion, but I need to say, I don't agree with it. I understand to a point what you are talking about.
All the artists you seem to hate listening to, or get bored with, or no longer enjoy...I still love, and I am certain that will always be the case. I get in the mood for some Santana...and Dear God...when I listen to ANY of his music, especially the ones from the early days...I still savor it. Some songs will bring back memories...I would not have otherwise. I often connect with music in that way.
I lived a block away from Carlos in Sausalito, Ca. and my next door neighbor on my left was Steven Stills. Often partied at that time with Jerry Garcia as well, and I was a Builder at the time, remodeling Van Morrisons office in San Anselmo. I had a Bro, who was Garcia's Luthier...Doug Irwin. I do have a history littered with memories, from the artist, in his regular guy mode. Maybe that makes it easier for me to take this music more personal, but I doubt it. I am much more selfish. I play their music, because I like it, and I love the memories and feelings, and that music gives me something new, even this many years later.
I'm not always in the mood for older music. But I can not say I have ever become tired of it, or came to hate it. It's like my memories. I don't want to loose them, and I do enjoy reliving some of them in my mind. There are so many women, in those memories. I still don't remember their names, but I do remember what was important, and that is also how the music moves me. I remember the things I liked most, and my life still feels richer from it.
I know B.B.King is not high on anyones list. But when I hear B.B.King...I remember those early days, I was desperately trying to sound like him and Eric Clapton. I had an old blue Tiesco. Looked like a guitar George Jetson would own, or one of todays Prince guitars.
Please don't ask what I think of a pink kitty guitar, and I won't tell.
The Blues artist I love to listen to most today are...
Tinsley Ellis....love ...love ...love him.
Derek Trucks
John Mayer
Bonnie Raitt...still love her.
The post was meant to be a bit of a laugh, and i certainly didn't wish to offend anyone,(I don't say that my list were bad musicians, or the people who liked them were morons or whatever).
As for the Hello Kitty guitar, I'm leaving the pink guitars to Adrian Belew. That was just a bit of fun too.
It sounds like you had a very interesting time, and you obviously love music. I still love Bonnie Raitt too by the way, and John Mayer was certainly a surprise when I got into his stuff, all I'd heard was ';Daughters' which I thought was great musically and lyrically.
Bye for now,
Ian
...some songs you can resurrect in a new way. Infinite possibilities.
I don't remember who first did Gloria...but I remember Jim Morrison (Doors) singing it
...and I was like 13 or 14 years old. I use to sing this myself. One of the few songs anyone can sing and sound good. :P
Just making a point... but then...I still like to hear..Pop goes the Weasel.
Ian.... I do not believe you like the blues.. you admit you do not listen to it and your idea of hell is a blues jam. There is nothing wrong if you do not like it, but at least be truthful to yourself. Many of the guitarists you named have deep blues influence. It seems like you may tolerate the blues, but you do not really enjoy listening to it.
Carlos happens to be perhaps my favorite guitarist. He gets such a great sound. He is perhaps the only guitarist that could play a single note, and you could tell that was Carlos. He has a unique style and sound. I love his soulful melodic playing.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. roll
So I thought,'that might be interesting, to see which of the guitar greats my friends on this forum dislike, even though it goes against the flow'. However, I seemed to have touched a nerve with Clapton, SRV and Carlos,(yes, he can play one note and you can tell it's him...I just don't like the note) which sort of, erm, proves my point doesn't it?
I have been told that I don't like the blues, and I should admit it to myself; please, ten cent therapy aside, I can decide what I like and don't like. I stopped being concerned with peer group pressure a long time ago. Because I don't listen to Clapton or SRV, I don't like the blues? I like Robben Ford just fine, and Jon Spencer, and for that matter B.B. Freddie and Albert, Buddy, Jimi, TS, and Johnny 'Guitar'. As for blues jams, been in too many directionless overpopulated 12 bars to have fond memories. The blues might be a universal language, but a lot of players speak it badly. Like I said, it's another story.
It was meant to a be a bit of fun (as the actress said to the Bishop).
Ian
p.s. I think Whitney Houston is just awful
If you want to talk about female Pop artists....then I think Whitney
( and her cousin Dionne Warwick ) are some of the best in the world.
I would rate her up there with my favorites...Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand,
Christina Aguilera, Aretha Franklin, and Mariah Carey.
I could list many more, but just wish to say, this woman rated very high with me.
Maybe I am missing your point....
Maybe the passive/aggressiveness is simply confusing me.
Maybe the contradictions are throwing me off.
Tell me...how does this make you feel?
....and that my friend is ten cent therapy. Prior to that...all people here did is respond to observation.
In the sixties, someone said that Aretha could sing the phone book and make it sound good, she's been doing that ever since. I really do think that Whitney is an overblown diva who chews scenery as a substitute for real performance...a cabaret artist, Vegas, just awful. But that was just an aside, I thought I was on safe ground...I didn't think anyone liked her...you're joking right?
I apologise profusely for daring to dislike Devadip CS, or any of your friends, and groovy was probably right, Hendrix is only famous because he's non-white,(is that what we've come to now by the way?) and dead. Rick James...come on down, (that was sarcasm, as was this).
Great cartoon though Manitou.
I think perhaps you did miss my point, or perhaps my sense of humour isn't for you, I don't really get the hostility, how can anyone be offended by someone not sharing their tastes?
Ian
I understand you were giving an opinion.
There is no hostility...I gave a simple 10 cent analysis. (your words)
(and offered free I may add, since you felt a victim of your own flamefest.)
Therefore you must miss my sense of humor equally well.
Yes, I do like Whitney's music. I remember making that point clear.
Did I ever make a condescending remark in regards to your musical preferences?
I did not agree with Groovy's opinion of Hendrix. Jimi had to prove himself more to the Blacks.
For one thing...I remember the relationship between Blacks and Whites in that era.
I lived in Motown...and I will drop another couple names.
My neighbor straight across from me was Ron Banks (of the Dramatics), and just up the street lived Diana Ross.
I dined regular on Soul Food, and I know very well about the race relations, and the time period.
There was still a lot of segregation.
Yes, you are on safe ground...as we are basically a rock music board.
Some members do happen to like all or other genre of music...with passion.
You brought up Pop...s-o-o-o..?...and I happen to not agree with your opinion.
Now is that automatically suppose to make me hostile?
Shredd was wise to stay clear of this thread. I wish I was as smart as him.
I liked your previous threads, but I regret my participating on this thread.
Sorry to have been rude.
Ian
Please do not take me as trashing you in any way.
I respect your opinion. I just do not agree with it.
And I also do not agree with your opinion on Jimi Hendrix.
But I guess you proved your point, you will get heat for trashing these guys. Perhaps it is like Manitou said... many people feel very strongly about these players. And besides, it is one thing to say you do not like these guys music, but you are saying you do not think they are good players. At that point I have to totally disagree with you.
And Whitney may be crazy as a fox, but the woman has a great set of pipes.
There is alot of music that I might not be my cup of tea, but as a musician, I see that these guitarists and musicians have talent. 8)
Ian
I'm a classically trained musician, and so composition is very important to me, as much as technical skill. But they are different animals. Yes, there are songs by Clapton, Hendrix, and Santana that I love... but for the most part, this is because I like the songs themselves, not necessarily the guitar playing. I don't dislike it, but I also don't think it's anything out of the ordinary. To an extent, I will say the same regarding SRV and BB, but I think both are awesome blues players. Another dimension of this is that I wasn't there to witness their \"revolution\", and so I study it retrospectively, and scale it relative to everything that has come out since.
I can't really think of a guitarist whom I straight up don't like. Maybe I'm just not a disliking kind of guy.
I have to agree with iliace, I too am trained in the classical. The like or dislike of a musician , guitarist or any other is purely a matter of taste. Honestly I can't think of any that I dislike , all music has it's own worth that is to be judged only by each individual.
Rock On
Jack Latham