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WINDOWS computers SUUUUUCK!!!!

Go ahead, disagree with me. :?
Tonight I'm playing, and I wanted to put some mp3's and such on the CF card on my GNX. So I hook up the GNX, and the mp3's I transferred over were distorted and corrupted, wouldn't play. Thanks a lot Windows.
Then I unplugged my GNX and went to shut down the PC, the whole thing flamed. It won't even boot now, even after an hour of wackin' the thing off (CMOS resets, various boot type attempts, yada...).
THIS is why I have no interest in using a computer for music...if it weren't for XEdit, I wouldn't even have a computer involved with my music setup. I'm just glad the stupid PC didn't take my GNX with it. :evil:
I don't want to be a computer tech, I just wanna play. Well, that, and to get jiggy with Anne Hathaway...:oops:

PS I'm on the internet with my trusty ol' never-lets-me-down mac. :roll:
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  • I can't disagree because I don't own a MAC. But the reason i dont own a MAC is because I've never had any serious issues with my pc. More bang for the buck also.
  • When your PC starts to give trouble it can be very stressful. My PC is gettin on a bit now aswell so Im awaiting the inevitable :lol:
  • CMOS resets have nothing to do with Windows.
  • this happened tp me once and it was only a dirty comp. (too much dust) So I opened it up, sprayed it with air, took the ram sticks out and cleaned around them, then I put it back together and now it works fine. worth a try anyway :wink:
  • I am going to buy a MAC in a couple of months because I can't agree more. Windows is absolutely awful in an audio/midi or a video recording and editing environment. I have had so many issues. Apple on the other hand has a really solid operating system that has proven stable in an audio environment and used by many industry professionals.

    Just do a search on this forum for how many issues have arisen from Vista and XP Media.

    So based on the G@y-Test...I will admit I am 'semi-g@y', which means only on the weekends. :oops:
  • One of the many problems people suffer from is buying a \"package\" computer from makers like Dell, etc. They think they are getting a great deal on a computer when nothing could be further from the truth. Those \"great price\" computers are a perfect example of \"You get what you pay for.\"

    Your best bet is the build you own computer with select parts. Do your homework on the internet and see which products are rated extremely well for your type of use. I've built every computer I've ever owned and I'm amazed at people buying new package computers years after my computer and my computer smokes these units.

    In one instance, years ago I built my Pentium 2. Years later, I worked for a company that touted brand new dell Pentium 4 machines. I couldn't believe it was slower than my P2 at home. The memory was the same amount, but obviously there was something wrong with this scenario. People at work thought I was BS'ing them until I brought my computer in and proved it.

    Remember, you get what you pay for. If you buy a cheap Dell (or any Dell for that matter) don't complain about it. It's not windows, it's your hardware.

    For those of you that have a home built top model, you have to clean out windows from time to time. Use utilities to clean out the registry, dead files, etc. When things go beyond that, you might need to reinstall windows. You will be amazed at the speed difference. This may seem like a huge undertaking, but if you have 2 drives, you can limit the amount of programs you have to reinstall with windows. Another option is to mirror the disk after a fresh install. If you save your data file (or audio files in recording programs) on the \"D:\" drive, you wont even have to load those files from an external source.

    Life can be simpler by using a few minor steps.
  • I've seen guys with Mac or PC say the same thing. I know many guys that have Mac Pro's and have had them out for service. G5's etc. The answer from vendors and servicer is always about optimizing and limiting programs added.

    If you are working with projects and other resource heavy programs, always check the hdd to see if it needs a defrag. Do this before you decide to create new projects , render files to audio, movie, etc. You can use the analyze to determine whether or not you need to defrag.

    Second, they always recommend maxing ram, and having additional hard drives just for storage medium.

    In Win, you have to turn off all non essential startup tasks (Start>Run>msconfig (type in run box).

    Some sequencer programs are resource demanding. In audio and video this is often performed (rendering) in the hdd, not always the ram. Virtual memory is used in many sequencer and other programs.

    Virtual Ram is what sets up hdd space for rendering apps. Win use a paging file and you can set up how much space is allocated. This is from Adobe faq for Win optimization.

    To adjust the size of the virtual memory paging file:

    1. Log into the system as an administrator.
    2. Quit all applications.
    3. Choose Start > Settings > Control Panel, and then double-click System.
    4. Select the Advanced tab; in the Performance section, select Settings, and then click the Advanced tab.
    5. In the Virtual Memory section, click Change.
    6. From the Drive list, select a hard disk that has available space equal to at least twice the amount of the installed RAM on the system. For example, if your computer has 1 GB of RAM, select a hard disk that has at least 2 GB of free space.

    Note: To determine the amount of space available on a disk, click the drive letter in the Drive [Volume Label] section. The amount of space available is displayed in the Paging File Size For Selected Drive section.

    7. In the Paging File Size For Selected Drive section, enter an Initial Size equal to the amount of RAM installed on the system plus 12 MB (i.e. 1036 for a system with 1 GB of RAM. 1 GB = 1024 MB)
    8. In the Maximum Size box, enter a value equal to twice the amount of your computer's installed RAM.
    9. Close the System Properties dialog box:
    * Click Set, and then click OK.
    * Click OK in the Performance Options dialog box
    * Click OK in the System Properties dialog box.
    * Click Yes in the System Settings Change dialog box to restart Windows.

    LAST Thing- ALWAYS SAVE PROJECTS AFTER IMPORTS ETC. Nothing is worse than working 30 min into something, importing items and then getting an error. SAVE projects with each big operation. Even if you have only added effects from a few VST plugins. SAVE again and again!
  • Thanks for the pointers/perspective. I think there probably is a lot of truth in the crap you get buying the 'pre-packaged' PC versus building your own. I purchased mine @ Best Buy and I spent two days getting rid of the applications and files that were garbage. I have two gig of RAM, which I believe is the max for 24 bit Windows and a 512MB memory card.

    The performance of the PC outside of SONAR/Sound Forge/ACID Pro is fine. But using my Control Surface/Mixer (Tascam FW-1028), firing up the GNX4, and my MOTIF creates a very unstable environment in Windows.

    My understanding from MAC users is that the operating environment is much simpler and manages external devices much better, allocating memory, and system resources better than a windows environment.

    I will have to do more research and have to tip toe around my issues until I can afford new hardware.
  • \ednrg\ wrote:
    One of the many problems people suffer from is buying a \"package\" computer from makers like Dell, etc. They think they are getting a great deal on a computer when nothing could be further from the truth. Those \"great price\" computers are a perfect example of \"You get what you pay for.\"

    Your best bet is the build you own computer with select parts. Do your homework on the internet and see which products are rated extremely well for your type of use. I've built every computer I've ever owned and I'm amazed at people buying new package computers years after my computer and my computer smokes these units.

    In one instance, years ago I built my Pentium 2. Years later, I worked for a company that touted brand new dell Pentium 4 machines. I couldn't believe it was slower than my P2 at home. The memory was the same amount, but obviously there was something wrong with this scenario. People at work thought I was BS'ing them until I brought my computer in and proved it.

    Remember, you get what you pay for. If you buy a cheap Dell (or any Dell for that matter) don't complain about it. It's not windows, it's your hardware.

    For those of you that have a home built top model, you have to clean out windows from time to time. Use utilities to clean out the registry, dead files, etc. When things go beyond that, you might need to reinstall windows. You will be amazed at the speed difference. This may seem like a huge undertaking, but if you have 2 drives, you can limit the amount of programs you have to reinstall with windows. Another option is to mirror the disk after a fresh install. If you save your data file (or audio files in recording programs) on the \"D:\" drive, you wont even have to load those files from an external source.

    Life can be simpler by using a few minor steps.

    I couldnt agree more. This is what I do - never an issue.
  • \ednrg\ wrote:
    CMOS resets have nothing to do with Windows.
    Yah, but I was trying EVERYthing. It won't even boot to the BIOS setup.
    Ya see, I useta think this was cool, a challenge to meet and overcome. Now I just wanna play, and I couldn't care less about diddling my computer. I just want it to do it's little job and leave me out of it. :roll:
    BTW I TOTally agree with all youse guyz...building your own is the only way to go. It allows you flexibility to build exactly what you've chosen into a machine.
    I've also done all that stuff g talks about...
    But the puter I'm griping about just flamed. All I did was command \"Stand By\". Now it won't even boot to BIOS setup. :evil:
  • edited January 2008
    So, your hard drive is smoked, not windows.

    The topic should read [ Insert Motherboard make here ] Ssuuuuuuucccks. :lol:
  • \ednrg\ wrote:
    So, your hard drive is smoked, not windows.

    :shock: :shock: :evil: :evil:
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    I've got news for you...if you like the one on the right, you're STUPID. :lol:
  • \"I've got news for you...if you like the one on the right, you're STUPID.


    Oh YEAH!?...well I'm rubber and your glue....
  • Oh YEAH!?...well I'm rubber and your glue....
    Settle down, Beavis. Or I might put paste in your crayon box. :P
  • Well when macs are pretty much the standard & used all over Industry etc.. I might just smart up & not be so stupid! :lol: BUT till then call me stupid cause i use the 1 on the right & NEVER HAVE HAD 1 ISSUE with recording or anything. All but wait I'm stupid :lol:
  • \"Or I might put paste in your crayon box.\"


    Hee hee hee hee...that would rule!


    Oh wait, does that mean no crayons for dessert? :twisted:
  • Oh wait, does that mean no crayons for dessert? :twisted:
    Not for me...I just eat the paste... :lol:
  • You want a P.C. to run audio my advice is to keep it off the internet. I had my audio computer built by a local company and has run glitchless for 3 years. The only time it's on the dsl line is when I need to update,
    or register something. I do all my internet stuff on my laptop. The internet
    causes to many unwanted changes on computers and many of them interfere with audio drivers and what not. It's the best way to go.
  • Jammin, that's good advice. Some folks have a cheap pc devoted to audio only. I think I've seen some threads here that have mentioned it.
  • \jamminmj\ wrote:
    You want a P.C. to run audio my advice is to keep it off the internet. I had my audio computer built by a local company and has run glitchless for 3 years. The only time it's on the dsl line is when I need to update,
    or register something. I do all my internet stuff on my laptop. The internet
    causes to many unwanted changes on computers and many of them interfere with audio drivers and what not. It's the best way to go.
    I also subscribe to this theory; my PC (the one that just croaked :? ) was never connected online, except for updates once or twice a month. Didn't keep it from flaming out tho. :evil:
  • I have a PC running pro Tools and a Imac I just bought my wife for christmas...I cant wait to see the diffrence in preformance is...probabley none :? oh wait ya the Imac cost me a fortune an looks way cooler...youguys should be able to tell that on the recording alot...NOT. :lol:
  • I have a PC running pro Tools and a Imac I just bought my wife for christmas...I cant wait to see the diffrence in preformance is...probabley none :? oh wait ya the Imac cost me a fortune an looks way cooler...youguys should be able to tell that on the recording alot...NOT. :lol:
    Yeah, but she's a girl, and girls like pretty stuff. And if she's happy, you're happy, right? :P
  • Never had a problem once I got through setting up PTP. Then again, I dont download everything that pops up when I am on the internet either. You know...

    Want e-mail spam protection?
    -or-
    Your computer is infected click YES to download... (insert poorly written software name here)


    Thanks but no thanks. As for MAC... I have no beef with MACs... other than the people who own them that constantly try to shove it down PC users throat how much better thier MAC's are. Granted they make a fine and beautiful machine, but the bottom line is that BOTH have thier own problems and they are NUMEROUS.

    I also love it when MAC users talk so much smack about how they don't get viruses or spyware. I got news for you... Your days are numbered. MAC's are taking up enough of the market share that they are going to draw the attention of some hacker that finally realizes \"Holy crap... these guys are TOTALLY unprepared for a virus...\"

    This is NOT a knock on MAC. Like I said they have a terrific platform, but MAC's and PC's both experience thier share of difficulties. As far as cost goes... that is self explanatory.In the coming weeks, I am going to set up my 2nd PC and make it a dedicated workstation for recording. I just need a MOBO for it and some memory. I'll install XP on it and be done with it.

    Now I will say that VISTA is still giving me grief. Every time I touch a setting on my GNX4 I get the IRQL blue screen error. Sucks, but after doing some research here I think i just need to uninstall and reinstall my drivers. We'll see.

    Enjoy the MAC. I can't say I will never own one myself, but for now as long as the cost is so high, PC will be my main staple.
  • If you're against Windows, have you tried Ubuntu studio?

    http://ubuntustudio.org/

    Might be worth a shot.
  • I know a couple of Mac users who have alot more trouble than I
    do on PC's. Also the Ipod is making them more a risk as I've seen at
    least one security update for them.
  • I ain't Mac vs PC really. After all you can run Windows on some Apple hardware, Apple OS is now UNIX, so not a million miles away from Linux (Windows vs UNIX is more realistic). The real difference is the user, if they know how to get the best out of the system, and if they keep it reasonably maintained. My Linux systems work fine, my Windows systems work fine (unless I am messing around with them). A lot of my customers systems run Windows really badly, they have Malware infections, little or no maintenance, and the enjoy complaining about there computers.

    I have worked in the IT industry for a long time, mainly in support engineer roles, I have worked on many types of systems including Windows, Sun IBM, Apple... Hardware failures happen to us all, but what really screws up the systems are people :)

    IMO the comments about not connecting to the internet are kinda right, that's where people pick up a lot of Malware. But, I prefer to have Windows installed twice on my system. When it's booted into the recording system it is fully optimised for recording, it doesn't have a lot of unnecessary junk installed, and it just works brilliantly. My day to day version of windows has all the usual stuff people install, and it still works fine, but I make more of an effort to keep this clean, I have a good firewall, AV software, I immunise against Malware. Oh and I defrag my disk. That's about all it takes really.
  • Almost every Win problem user I have talked to have had so much crap added from Internet, freebie programs, and just plaint garbage. Then they restore, and restore and the registry is so bogged up and a mess. What do they do? they get a reg cleaner that is freeware. ok.

    Next thing is they leave things running and have all sorts of garbage. I've looked at startup toolbar seeing as many as 20 or more hanging out, just hogging up the system. Then they say, It used to boot so fast!! Now it takes 2-3 minutes to just come on.

    I've seen MAC's and PC's cluttered. Some are better at some things, some have specific failures. Fact is, most relative WIN problems are user related downloads and back running garbage.

    Most people in all fairness just don't know. Or they have their kids get on ebaums world and click everything in sight. Dad comes home fires up Sonar and goes ballistic!

    IF you dedicate a PC to only the DAW application it runs fast, stable and can perform as well as anything out there.

    you can pay up to $2500 for a Mac or Buy 2 pc's. One for all your BS, and one for recording. The better served recording pc can have Core 2 duo, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd, and still have money left over for any external Firewire recording interface.

    For Instance- typical Dell...

    Buy a Vostro with Mon for $600
    Buy a custom PC for recording under $1000 w 22\" monitor
    That leaves $900 for software, firewire interface etc.

    You can also buy barebones kits from Compusa etc. Less than $300 for a decent mo board. PSU, add the other hardware, OS, and your are set.

    In another post I suggested Comp Shows. Friend of mine bought a PC to dedicate to AUDIO DAW for $75 with loads of features. As core 2 duo and Quad core have become a new standard, pc's at tradeshows like these are going for less than $100 as businesses and gamers etc unload their PC's for the better stuff. Most of these PC's are perfect for audio!!
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