Eminence Modeling 12's Once more for the masses
If you have an amp and you have to tweak it for more than 5 mins or create cab models that take hours to counter react against your actual speakers, do yourself a favor and go buy Eminece Modeling 12`s no more tweaking to get to the ACTUAL tone tweaking.
These speakers are AMAZING I use them in a stereo 2x12 open back combo AND a stereo 4x12. I hated the Gnx4 for a year before I plunged in and got these as a last ditch effort to like this unit as I know Digitech is capable of great tones. I played the ValVeFX processor for years which was a more roadworthy version of the 2112 artist at the time I bought it.
I hate hearing that I have to get rid of MY AMP n go with some strange FRFR or whatever rig cuz I have been playing for 25 yrs n my lil brain just can't deal with not haveing a guitar amp. OK, so blend the 2 together you have what you have and like yer D#MN AMP! me too so throw 2 or 4 of the Eminence Modeling 12`s in your exsisting cab or amp and you got pure tone HEAVEN and nomore complaining about FUNKY tone if you want extra bass in a 4x12 use 2 Celestion g12t-75`s in the bottom and 2 mod 12's in the top. After that it's a smooth sailing and tone I can't explain. (hugs Amp) I love my freakin AMP and now I l0ve my Gnx4 an all it took was a speaker change. at $60 a speaker you can't go wrong
These speakers are AMAZING I use them in a stereo 2x12 open back combo AND a stereo 4x12. I hated the Gnx4 for a year before I plunged in and got these as a last ditch effort to like this unit as I know Digitech is capable of great tones. I played the ValVeFX processor for years which was a more roadworthy version of the 2112 artist at the time I bought it.
I hate hearing that I have to get rid of MY AMP n go with some strange FRFR or whatever rig cuz I have been playing for 25 yrs n my lil brain just can't deal with not haveing a guitar amp. OK, so blend the 2 together you have what you have and like yer D#MN AMP! me too so throw 2 or 4 of the Eminence Modeling 12`s in your exsisting cab or amp and you got pure tone HEAVEN and nomore complaining about FUNKY tone if you want extra bass in a 4x12 use 2 Celestion g12t-75`s in the bottom and 2 mod 12's in the top. After that it's a smooth sailing and tone I can't explain. (hugs Amp) I love my freakin AMP and now I l0ve my Gnx4 an all it took was a speaker change. at $60 a speaker you can't go wrong
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If I get a chance I'd really like to hear some of these speakers... might be a great alternative.
Now that there should speak volumes, How many times have you gotten the open invite to go buy whatever you need without complaint?
I dont know if they still make the speakers I bought but I've got the 4 I needed, so I cool. Congratulations.
I actually miss the midi preamp and speaker emulator thing. Much less confusing. When you come right down to it, its the speaker modeling thing that makes ALL modelers hard to use. Its too much simulating. It's useful for recording but most of us play our guitars for days before recording anything. It needs to sound great that way most of all!
Tony
One of the kids at Work got a Handmade Class A combo for x-mas it has the Eminence Legend V12 same wattage only it's a \"british\" cone and it's equally as sweet as the Mod 12 only mine has NO COLOR.
Now lets look at the NO COLOR thing cuz it would sound to me if I was reading this that it was flat dull and CRAPPY, IT ISN\"T. Mod12`s have a frequency plot at a curve that boost guitar frequencies that are normally cut an rolled off on ones that are normally boosted so to a point you are gettin an EVEN response. kind of like the ol British eq curve of a frown but when us in the U.S. dial in our stereos we use a smiley face curve,What in essense do you get? FLAT EVEN eq`ing. Same kewl deal with the Mod 12`s
I've seen reference to these speakers before, but this post has me even more curious about them. Let me explain my setup to you and see if you think it will help. Currently I run my GNX4 into the effects return on my head. I'm using a Peavy XXX with it set to the clean channel with Head Body and Bottom all dialed at 12 o'clock. My cabinet (and I feel that this may be the HUGE downfall in my tone) is a Crate Blue Voodoo Slant (BV412S) - the old ones that actaully had the Blue Tolex and gold Crate Plate on the front.
I'm wondering if, since I'm really using the XXX for nothing more than a power amp - if I were to change the speakers out in my cabinet to these - is that the magic bullet I need to get a \"truer' tone that what I get now? Should I only change the two upper speakers and leave the stock Celestions in the bottom or should I consider doing all four? I like to play a heavier style - influenced by old school Metallica, Pantera, Anthrax etc...and LOVE a nice deep crunch when I mute. I like to feel the guitar punch you in the chest! LOL
I used the Man 0 War in the Bottoms but I don't know if I care for the British style mids, I haven't totally decided yet; the Swamp Thangs are the same with a SMOOTHER mid
http://usspeaker.com <---I bought mine here and they are a pleasure to deal with
yes your cab is 4 or 16 ohms mono NOW, AFTER you put the NEW speakers in it will 2 or 8 ohms mono. I suggest you use the 16 ohm setting which will infact BE 8ohms
Also, side note I suggested that you replace all 4 speakers because the Mod 12's only come 8 ohm and the speakers in your cab now are 16 ohm.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND mixing speaker ohmage it will break your head.. So git all 4 (8ohms speakers at the same time) you are now safe as long as you remember what the panel says is actually HALF
Well thank you for this post LuredMaul!
I have a 1978 Yamaha 50W 112 amp that I have had since new and it has been sitting in the basement (I use a Marshall MG around the house)... so I went out today and bought an Eminence modeling 12\" and replaced the original one in my Yamaha. WOW!! What a difference...it even sounds great with my Ovation acoustic directly plugged in...and only $60, WHAT A DEAL!
Thanks so much for all the info!
Be sure to match the impedance of your current cab speakers and amp spec. Mark the connections and observe phasing. Some units have speakers in series so be careful. Most cabs would have either all 16 ohm drivers and others and the most common would have all 8 ohm, but it does vary and is important to verify before purchasing replacements. Do not mix 8 and 16 ohm drivers.
The most common prob with speaker impedance miswiring or mismatch is \"motorboating\". That is a low freq pulsating hum that resembles a cyclic noise. This will happen mostly when the amp is driven a bit so check it at stage volumes to be sure. Otherwise you may have thought things are good until you use it live..and then...OH NO........ What do I do???? We see this in repairs many times. Usually they send the head in for repair and there is nothing wrong with it. They bring in the Cab and ohhh yeah..big mismatch or wiring issue.
I have read this post with interest. I did order two of the Modeling 12's from US Speaker. I'll save the possiblity of the Swamp Thang later.
I also ordered Carvin's TS100 for its colorless abilities as well.
My big question now is \"what about cabs?\".
Go to Ear Candy's site and they (as well as others) note the \"tone\" of their cabs. Ideally, if you go through all of the steps to \"not colorize\" your GNX patches, what about the cabs?
Just wanting to push this topic a litter further.
Gregg
Well a guitar cabinet isn't such a huge factor in the Tone equation as it is for say HIFI stereo applications....
A 4X12 cab is going to naturally make more bass than a 2X12
An open back cab is going to be more Airy than a closed back and such.
The main issue with a guitar cab is that it has to be solid(without rattle and squeeks) and you don't want it constructed of Particle board.
Although some will differ in oppion as with everything else.
OK, Let's keep going here? What about a PLASTIC (JBL EON type only 12\") or even a PLASTIC guitar 2x12 or 4x12. It must be springtime cause Willow is branching out but not wanting to show any color?
Too me it just seems to be another factor. But... I have been wrong before.
Gregg
What the hell is that about? :roll:
No flame intended. The willows on the farm are branching out and changing color this spring. Your post also concerns the coloring by cabinets. My point is some use plastic as these could be modded with MOD 12's. http://www.omnitronic.com/omn_artdetail.php?artnr=11038695&lang=E
This reviewer states a less BROWN color/sound than some and tried it in sevreal amps noteing projection, tone and breakup changes. http://bluzharp.tripod.com/mod12.html
Now for a more critical view of the guitar modeling speaker. Notice the harsh bump on the graph at around 2-4 kHz(Eminence). This is a lively thread. http://www.recording.org/ftopic-35102-days0-orderasc-0.html
Well I still need to buy a case for them and hopefully can make a good decision.
User suggestions here can go both ways.. some for the same reasons are inhibited to any posts regarding such things since they get flamed or responded to in a \"doesn't work for me approach\". No different from the guy who buys the same car stereo speakers , amp and in dash unit and gets upset cause it doesn't sound like his buddy's car stereo... not realizing that carpets, interior, and all that can change the tone dramatically..even with the same make/model of car.
I never buy an amp/cab based on an MP3 recorded sample.. So much is taken into consideration in how that sample was made, let alone the compression scheme.. Freq charts are okay..but never account to HOW a speaker is broken in.. that depends on environment, humidity, how hard it's pushed etc. NO two 1960A cabs from Marshall ever sound the same.
Same here..no two guitar amps and GNX's ever sound the same. These suggestions are more of a users way of acknowledging in their words methods, what works better. It is always debatable just like My Strat with Lace Sensors is better than the Stock pickups...maybe..maybe not..it's just a suggestion.
However, I do not think the question was answered. Maybe appropriatly (sp?) so.
So, I have a GNX4, with a bunch of patches that sound great through my headphones. I heard about the MOD 12\"s. Bought them. What cab to put them I ask?....
I suppose the cab/speakers would not be the same as my Sony MDR-7506's but would like it to come close. Idea's?
I use Mod 12's up top and G12t75's or Swamp Thangs on the bottom of a 4x12. For a 2x12 I have Mod 12 and a ST. The mix is nice. It keeps clean parts clean and bassy, and High gain however I want. Limited to an extent but 10x as usable.
Birch Cabs whether 7, 11 or 13 ply will vary. Some prefer hardwoods like Maple and Oak. Either of which help mids flourish. IMO I think a 13 ply Birch cab works best for maintaining even-ness. Now you have designs to play with. Ear Candy ported designs are incredible just by the design itself. So much goes into that and greatly impact the sound. Is it true that most MDF or Particle Board cabs would sound less pleasing?? To me...YES. If the Same assembly in MDF was taken as which birch cabs..maybe not so much.
Thing is, the Birch cab is going to have all the proper sealants, cab skeleton or frame joints that minimize probs you get with EL Cheapo cabinets.. It's cheap but not as desirable. Now take an Elcheapo cab made of Birch. Add frame bracing on all interior joints. Seal all the crevaces and joints with either hot glue or pro adhesive. Put some good drivers in them. You would have a very nice sounding cab for less than 400 bucks.
Ear Candy and others use principals beyond that though. Knowing how the phasing can change things and other advanced cab techniques they can make a slightly oversized 2x12 run circles around a 4x12.
The cab is definitely key in the tone equation. Things like speaker placement ( some are slightly higher or angled away), some have angles of 10 to 15 degrees and are inset into the enclosure. All those things impact what we hear. Ear Candy and others take advantage of such things. Most of which are noticed from a good 10 ft or better away from the cab. If you are too close, the effect is nil.
EM 12 Modeling speakers minimize coloring by being more transparent than most speakers used. Combinations are good as well. You may want to try just ONE EM12 in your cab and see if it works better with the current ones already in there. I have guys that use a M12 on a 4x12 on the top R and Lower Left and mix them with the standard V30's and love it...