Of interest to us all-
Loath as I am to tolerate spamm or any other solicitation, I thought this would be something that would concern all of us - it's about the big business dudes trying to abolish the rights of anyone to publish tablature. This would suck.
I have just read and signed the online petition: \"Musicians vs. Music Publishers' Association\" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mvmpa05/
I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
signing yourself.
I have just read and signed the online petition: \"Musicians vs. Music Publishers' Association\" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mvmpa05/
I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might
agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider
signing yourself.
Comments
Die O wicked spammer LOLLLL.
Dude, petitions are BS going up against the bigs. Normally used to get things on the ballot for the little people to vote on. You need a real lawyer. I would consider such an honorable quest, if you tendered partial payment in guitar lessons as you so graciously offered a few posts ago in one of your more eloquent disparagements of my pathetic attempts at witty responses.
JV
I have actually bought a boatload myself, as well as play along CDs, lessons and youtube dissections of fingering positions. It has actually turned me into a decent player over the years. At least good enough to play regularly in cover bands where people actually pay cover charges to hear us play. I can't say that the tabs are not useful though. I don't use them as much anymore, but more as a cheat to quickly get somewhere I need to be. Example is my band decided they wanted to do the badfinger tune \"no matter what\" I looked at the def leppard youtube version and listened but on some of the turnarounds resorted to a tab to nail the whole thing quickly. I suppose I could have figured it out eventually, but I didn't want to spend anymore time.
Have faith though, I don't think the music pubs will have as much success as the music industry did in the music download suits. Tabs are someone's interpretation of another's work. Copyart if you will and not bonafide copyright infringement. It is one artist's expression of another's
song. Freedom of speech actually (1st amendment).
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Going in that direction, pretty soon we'll have a directory of companies to contact before doing anything online (or elsewise publicly) to get their permission and sign a royalties contract.
Here, watch this:
free·dom [free-duhm] noun 1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint 2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc. 3. the power to determine action without restraint. 4. political or national independence.
BRING IT WEBSTER! I'll see you in COURT!
Lyrics are protected by copyrights. A number of tabbers repsonded by only including partial lyrics.
Personally, I always thought these sorts of lawsuits hurt the artists more than helped. It's like the claims about the billions lost on downloaded music. There is stuff I have that I would have never paid to get. But, sometimes, after I do get something for free, I find I really like the band, and I later buy their CD or songbooks, or whatever. I have a bookcase full of tab books, but when I want something in a hurry, I look on the web.
As for the petition, its probably close to useless to sign it, but I don't think we'll lose our access to tabs, at least as long as the internet remains a worldwide resource.
Reminds me of that college a few years back that required a guy to get a girl to actually sign a consent form before he could b**g her, or he could be charged with assault/rape... :roll:
And nowadays, with everything being about money or liability or whatever, stuff like this - or the tab/lyric things - aren't such a shock. Pathetic and petty, yes, but not shocking. :?
I thought this issue was several years old! Kinda why I brought up the tab topic earlier. I thought that is why internet tabs aren't correct and usaually in a different fingering due to copy right bs etc, ( thought big biz had successfully shut down several tab sites? ) Isn't that why they always have a legal disclaimer saying something to the effect \" this interpetations is the authors and intended for classroom discussion etc. \" Thus if that is the case ... Why I was questioning licensed store bought books, they don't seem to be absolute either....
Was reading some of the comments on the petition... One was \" will cover bands be charged a fee to play \" They already are! The Bar has paid that fee! As a matter of fact atleast in my state and probably the same for others.. A bar/venue has to have a permit ie pay a fee to ascap or whoever, If you have a juke box, for every tv ( music is heard on a tv! ) If you have a dance floor. And if you have live bands!! And since bars have to pay a fee cuzz they technically are making money off others music, one could reason (ie corp. lawyer ) A payed band should pay/ get a permit too!! something to think about! mates.
If I listen to the song, and with no reference except my own knowledge of guitar, post how I play that song, on the Internet, you need to get up off my back. That's all.
I was commenting on the whole issue of closing down internet tab sites! Just voicing my pov. The qoute was an agreement with you.. I have bought a lot of legal tab stuff too.. that ain't nothing but rubbish! If that was dierected at me .. rest asured I wasn't attacking or getting on anybodies back!!!
But since you mention it what if one hasn't seen the legal tab edition and figured a song out exactly like the tab and then posted it? Who's job is it to police the tab sites? What if it for a song that there isn't any legal tab for? Is it OK then?
I didn't disagree with you.
I doubt anyone would be likely to arrive at the \"exact\" version published. Many of the published ones are incorrect anyway. In my case, I often find it easier to play something using the techniques that I am more comfortable with than the original artist used. Good example: Sweet Home Alabama. I'm not too fond of open chords, and so I play it in 5th position - so (directed at publishers) go find a version that's transcribed like that, besides mine.
In other instances, the arrangement is dead obvious to an experienced guitarist. Recent song I did with one of my bands was Barely Breathing by Duncan Sheik (however you spell that). There's just not many ways you could play that. Still, if I put it out there, I'd probably just leave out the details like hammer-ons etc, and simply state the chords that I hear.
:oops: misinterpeted coming on the heels of my post .... Sry mate!
But tabs? C'mon. That's like saying it's OK for someone to figure out how a song is played, but it's not OK to put it on paper or tell anyone else. :roll:
Gimme a break. Soon you'll need proof of health insurance to wipe your butt at Wendy's. :?
It's just like them greedy fatherless execs. to want to control and own everything so they can get every fricken penny they can!
thousands out there you know who they are! They try to say they own so an so's vocals cuz it is unique or their entire sound! and keep them tied up in court thus killing their careers! Knowing in the long run they will lose
and the musicians that have survived for many years have their business together. Just like with downloading, It's bringing in less money to bands
to collect royalties. That's one reason why so many older acts are on the road. They know that touring and selling merchandise is what's gonna let them survive. The Grateful Dead were way ahead of everyone else when it it came to merchandise. They figured it out years and years ago. It's really no different than when Frank Zappa filed a suit against I don't remember who, for sampling. It's one reason why Heart has demanded that the Republican campaign quit using Barracuda for a campaign song for Palin. These are the only rights that professional musicians have to protect their intelectual property and livelyhoods. Although it may come from some corporate publishing company, the bottom line is that it is essentialy stealing and the composers aren't receiving royalties for their work. As many of you are at least semi pro musicians, I would hope you would consider this as if you really wish to become pro's, These are the only rights that will protect you when you do. For some reason the computer generation assumes to much should be free. It's also one of the reasons why the quality of music being put out is suffering so bad although the recording industry hasn't helped a whole lot either. We can complain about it but the truth of the matter is that if anyone of us were to sign a contract for our band tomorrow, We'ld be singin a different tune.
If the internet site that host tabs is making money, then yes! I think they should pay a fee to ascp mu or who ever! Like I said earlier would one presume that if a working paid cover band is making money for playing some elses music then shouldn't they be paying the licensing fee too? It's along the same lines.
Heart last I heard was on the side of music down load, so why wouldn't they be for tabs too? If they want their music out there, why wouldn't they want people to learn it too? gop using a song of theirs is for gain 'beit not apparent monetary gain , but gain nontheless so if they don't want them to use it I can see that.
I have an old music book from the 30's or 40's .. Volume One of over a 1000 songs - This collection of popular music/of the most requested songs for professional musicians and is not intended for sale to the general public - Limited Edition - Professional Use Only - 37.50 ... Quit a chunk of change for back then. Or was it a bargin if you was a card carrying musician? Is this what they are trying to get back too?
Shredd, your starting to exhibit a disturbing anal fixation lately....
I just don't want to have to fill out a form to prove my legal right to do it. :? Or be sued 'cuz I didn't notify the local Health Department. :shock:
Which is why suppressing tab publication is so stupid. It's like saying \"you can't enjoy this music unless you've paid us for it\". It's not like some guy is putting them out of business...it's one thing if he's selling videos of Steve Vai's solo patterns and getting rich on it. We're talking about some college kid in Omaha or Barcelona or Johannesburg sitting their with his bong and his acoustic, writing out how he thinks \"Whole Lotta Rosie\" is played. :roll:
I understand that if I am taking away some transcriptionist's livelihood by stealing his work, that's a problem. If I do my own work without his input, like I said earlier - see you in court.