Supermodels need a lot of work to get them to sound good !!!

Propica

\jagesso\ wrote:

I also have the Supermodels set. Before, I had to do a ton of tweaking to get them to sound right.

After I got Xedit to work on my setup, I tried my Supermodels disk.

I too find that they need a lot of playing around to get them to sound any good.

Makes me feel that I might as well have started with any default Amp model and Xedited the sound I need myself.

partch

Sorry for you all All The MFX Supermodels Patches I've used & have used from go have needed very little tweaking!! Mainly Levels & gains as well as High EQ Level & Presence. I generally set a patch up in less than 5 min 8) Sure for me anyhow beats starting with factory models & warping & tweaking etc..

Propica

Yeah,

But it takes less than 4 minutes if you start with one of the factory models !!

and the factory models on the GNX 3000 are really great. See Kewlpacks' reviews and comparisons

partch

\Propica\ wrote:

Yeah,

But it takes less than 4 minutes if you start with one of the factory models !!

and the factory models on the GNX 3000 are really great. See Kewlpacks' reviews and comparisons

Don't have a 3k. You know what I'm glad for that to! The 4 suits my needs much better!! & you know what the Tones when set up properly & used properly thru the right rig etc.. are close enough to the 3k for me & certainly good enough tone wise for me! I will say I think the 3k does sound thicker meatier tone just better! BUT the other things the 4 offers & the minimal improvements on the tone etc.. that the 3k offers does not make it whorth it for me!

Mickster

This makes no sense to me. At least with headphones or studio monitors or a PA, the 'Supermodels' sound so incredibly good that I have yet to even modify a single one of them except for maybe adding an effect, etc.

I would suggest starting with headphones with 'speaker compensation' set to 'on'.

Apologies if I'm telling you something you already know; I'm not here enough to know who's who.

Regards,

Mickster

jamminmj

Once again I will say, EVERYONES MILAGE VARIES. There are alot of variables involved from how you play to what guitars you use to what
you are monitoring through to what you personally want to hear. I personally like the Supermodels better for the way I play and the sounds I want to use. Maybe the sounds you are looking for just aren't there.
Maybe the factory presets will work better for you. After all there isn't
one end all be all guitar or amplifier judging by the hundreds of models of both that are for sale. Just go with what works for you.

Jamminmj

jt93

they sound great as is to everyone i've played em for. but i play thru a mixer into a set of good monitors. if you play thru an amp, you have to deal with all the color the amp adds. which is why i don't even take an amp most places, i just run 2 xls's into the pa system.

i'd like to know for the 'sucks' vs 'sounds good' ppl, who is using an amp and who is using pa/ monitors?

partch

I use a Crate PB into a 112 Monitor with Emminence Mod 12 speaker installed. Sound is good! I have also used A Valve JR Sounds O.K. i prefer the PB works a little better les Brittle. The only tweaking I usualy do is bring gains & Levels down try to balance the red & Green Levels & adjust the High's Level down some in the amps EQ & generally pull Presence back it's realy a pretty cookie cutter process to set patches up to sound good on my Rig Live. Anyhow that truly is my only complaint at all sometimes the high end is brittle & to much of it? BUT as I have said eazy to deal with for me. Sometimes I even just toggle pups to get fuller less brittle high's on higher register notes.

shredd

I play through a Berhinger board to a pair of 2031a's. GREAT sound. In a live setting I'd go from XLR's to the PA. I have a Peavey Special 130 w/Scorpion I can use (turning the S/C switch off makes it sound fine), so I'd use that as a stage sound/monitor if needed.

jagesso

Propica, what is your setup? Do you use an amp or go direct to a mixer, like I do?

That quote of mine that you started with was used to illustrate that a $30 change to my little home studio completely altered how my patches sound. If you're going to monitors, ask for that pre-amp as a stocking stuffer. Can't hurt.

With either setup, I'd still take the Supermodels over starting from the stock patches any day. The Supermodels have settings altered that 99% of us can't change (i.e. not accessible through the X-Edit interface).

Specifically, the Supermodels have a much better quality to the gain in my opinion--a sound you cannot get with the stock unit no matter how hard you twist the knobs.

TonsOfTones

\jagesso\ wrote:

The Supermodels have settings altered that 99% of us can't change (i.e. not accessible through the X-Edit interface).

Specifically, the Supermodels have a much better quality to the gain in my opinion--a sound you cannot get with the stock unit no matter how hard you twist the knobs.

Please recheck the above statement.

As far as we are aware, our MEGS software is the only tool available ( outside DIGITECH's Laboratories) that can alter hidden settings in the GNX Patches.

Please visit our web site for more details

Mickster

\TonsOfTones\ wrote:

Please recheck the above statement.

As far as we are aware, our MEGS software is the only tool available ( outside DIGITECH's Laboratories) that can alter hidden settings in the GNX Patches.

Please visit our web site for more details

I have visited your site a couple of times but can find nothing for the GNX4. Am I missing something?

What, if anything, are you offering...the 'MEGS' software? I couldn't find a d-load for this either.

Mickster

iliace

\TonsOfTones\ wrote:

\jagesso\ wrote:

The Supermodels have settings altered that 99% of us can't change (i.e. not accessible through the X-Edit interface).

Specifically, the Supermodels have a much better quality to the gain in my opinion--a sound you cannot get with the stock unit no matter how hard you twist the knobs.

Please recheck the above statement.

As far as we are aware, our MEGS software is the only tool available ( outside DIGITECH's Laboratories) that can alter hidden settings in the GNX Patches.

Please visit our web site for more details

He's right - the supermodels are created entirely by warping amp models that exist, then warping the warps with other warps, and so forth. They do not alter amp data directly

jagesso

This was one of my previous posts:

\jagesso\ wrote:

Aren't the supermodels just well warped versions of the GNX3K's standard models? So theoretically, we should all be able to recreate them on our own, right?

In response, guitar3456 sent me a PM. This isn't the whole thing, but here are a few of his exact words:

\guitar3456\ wrote:

It's not a bunch of warps.

Maybe there was some confusion on one of our parts--I'm not gonna get too hung up on it. Either way, I love the patches and haven't been able to get my warps to sound nearly as good.

shredd

My $0.02:
As I understand it, G didn't do anything that any of us can't do ourselves. That is, if you're willing to rent hundreds of amps, set them up in a studio with pro-grade sound processing and detection/measuring eqp't, and use your years of sound experience to evaluate each one and translate it into GNX terms.

If you can't find something you like on a S/M CD, than you should be in the Smithsonian in a display titled \"TONE SNOB\".:P

If you ask me, the S/M's are a bargain. Fortunately, I like to twiddle knobs, or I'd have my own set already. I'm still waiting for Geffen to call me back. :roll:

Dobb

Dude,

I agree with most that I hardly have to tweek the SM's at all. I play them through an atomic amp or behringer 2031a's, and I love 'em.

I mean this in the most sincere way but..do you have hearing damage? Tinitis is something I'd only ever heard other people talking about, but after I was really hard on my ears this weekend (2nd row at the Vh show ), and when I was noodling in the basemant the next day, I noticed all of my patches sound trebley or \"tinny\". Thank God it's going away...next time I do a loud rock show, I don't give a rats butt what people think, I'm wearing ear protection!!


Peace,
Dobb.

Cobaltblooz

When I loaded a bunch of hard rock/metal patches from the super models disc, every one of them gave me whistling feedback, I had to reduce the gain levels on all of them to make them at all usable (which I thought was weird)

Dobb

Yes Pagan,

I do admit that reducing the gain is usually the only adjustment I make on most of them, especially for patches I intend to use through the atomic.


Dobb

¡N¢ogN¡+o

I know this will probably sound dumb but where did you all get the Supermodels and how much do they cost?

partch

Here is the link:

http://www.mtprosound.com/MFXSUPERMODELS.html/

I have had the ultimate package since they came out. That was about 100 bucks I think. You also get monthly updates from Mikes site with the ultimate package. That alone has almost made it whorth while for me!! I doubt very much you would be disapointed with the Supermodels Disc! So much to choose from, great organazation, and flexibility of use with different gains & setups of the same amps. Check it out bro.

¡N¢ogN¡+o

Thanks partch! As always very helpful!