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Plz help me Identify this Gibson Les Paul

I'm considering buying this axe second hand, but the current owner does not know much about it (he just sells it).

Plz help me get some info on this axe and it's current value.

It's a gibson LP. On the headstock it reads : Gibson Les Paul Model
Serial number: 92105637 / USA. I know from the gibson site that it's made in 1995 (day 210) in Nashville.

Does anyone know from this info what the exact type is? Anychance you can 'guess' the specs? Is this a top-of-the-bill Gibson or a relatively cheap Gibson? Any clue at what it's worth?

Below are some pics:


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gibson36rm.jpg

gibson48ox.jpg


Thanks for any help/tips etc.

Comments

  • First a disclaimer....this is a wild guess.

    Looks to me like yer generic Les Paul Classic. Sweet...although not a hidden jem or some rare custom bird.
    Looks like the vintage sunburst finish, Gotoh tuners...rosewood fingerboard, mohagany...('60's neck?), and your expected nickel hardware. There are so many humbuckers...no way to tell you what is on there...but they are most likely mid-range level. CTS pots and bumblebee capacitors??
    Sells new for $1800 with hardshell case. (retails like $2600)
  • can you get a better shot of the actual headstock?
  • no soz, these are the available pics...

    is it hard to tell? I've never owned a gibson (or a guitar over 700$) so I can't tell at all...;)
  • but, do you guys agree I can be (pretty) sure this is a real gibson? So worth over 1k$ at least?
  • You're right on the date ID. There is no stamp on the truss cover. Generally you would see that read Classic, Studio, etc. Also be sure the Gibson logo has an open B and O ( the script is not fully closed).

    One of our dealers took in a JEM on trade and had no idea it was a fake. He gave the guy 750 on trade and has a nice $200 JEM copy. The giveaway was the trem system with no markings at all. The rest looked as legit as it gets.

    Gibson guitars do appreciate value with age. So a 95 could go higher on market value.

    The horn cutaway on this pic is what catches me. Seems more rounded than typical LP's are if you look close enough. Could just be a bad angle. I'd request another shot of the headstock and inner cavity. many LP models have the same ID stamped in the tone cavity ridge.
  • edited June 2006
    ...speaking of fake Gibsons....some are Very hard to tell apart.
    First two photos are of a fake you could own for $200.
    Last two photos are of a Gibson you'd need $2000.
    The headstock detail at the very top is cut different. The point about the script doesn't always seperate the fake from real. You will have to take everything into consideration. See if you can get a few better photos, or I'm afraid this is the best we can do to help.

    edit...no need for those photos now.
  • He's not able to get extra pics, nor does the seller wants me to check out the guitar... I don't have a good feeling about it, so I'm not buying.

    Thanks guys for helping out!
  • Sounds like a wise decision to me. This is not something rare or unique, so why take a risk. My gut would also be telling me something is not right, if this dealer is acting like this. Taking photos and downloading them cost NOTHING these days....soooooooooo WTF. :evil:
    The right Les Paul will come along for you, and you'll know it when you find it.

    On a personal note....WHEN is Spring ever gonna come?? It was -5 C this morning here in Northern Michigan. :shock: Weather any better where you live? It is a nice place to live though. Here is a photo from one of the roads I travel, showing my home town.
    LR_11-06-03.jpg
  • hehe nice pic :)

    Spring arrived here about 3 days ago. Nice weather, nice temps. Guess it will take awhile for spring to cross the ocean :P
  • would it be worth the gamble for say 400$? If it's a fake it'd still sell for aroudn 200-300$ I guess...?

    let me know your thoughts ;)
  • No.

    If he's willing to sell it for $400 ....then it is most likely a fake. Offer $200. or get it authenticated, and stipulated as such, and make a more appropriate offer.
  • it's an auction, so I can't just offer.

    There's also a story behind the guitar. It's not his guitar, but the guitar of his brother in law who passed away last year. He's selling it on behalf of his sister and doesn't know anything about guitars. I think they just wanna get rid of it and take whatever they can get for it.

    But man, it may just be a made-up story to sell it....arghghgh
  • Is this on eBay? You can stipulate conditions of sale if you negotiate directly before end of auction with the seller. He can get this authenticated...so I wouldn't fall for any BS as to seller ignorance. If you bid and win....I would make sure you are protected....and BEFORE you send payment. That's okay if he doesn't know about guitars....but for selling...he should accept responsibility. Also...if he is advertising this as a Gibson...and it is in fact not..that can be potentially considered fraud. Communicate with this guy...see how cooperative he is willing to be. If he continues being evasive....let it go...do yourself a favor, and look elsewhere. There are 10 million more of these guitars around.
  • I don't know how many times I had to leave a deal that felt shady to me. One bad aspect of online auctions...there are lots of crooks.
    True, you may also be passing up a deal of a lifetime.....but then there is the saying....if it seems too good to be true....it probably is.

    It's easier to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble.
  • thnx for the advice guys.

    final bid was over 800 euro's (850ish $) so it's out of my range anyway. I'm still not sure if it was a real one... will see if I can contact the buyer.
  • Sorry it didn't work out for you. I'll keep my eyes open for a sweet deal over here, and let you know if one comes up. I'm not in the market myself, but I do see things come along, and will be happy to help if I can.
    If that LesPaul was for real....850 bones was a super buy. Hope whomever did win the bid has a genuine Gibson.
    Right now...my weakness would be for an exceptional Stratocaster...but I have some Doctor bills to pay off....so I best behave. :cry:
    :lol: Maybe you've noticed....I normally can't behave. It's never been one of my strengths.
  • Why don't you call Gibson? I did when I was buying my Les Paul. They tell you all the specs after giving them the serial no.
  • Seems like a smart idea ;)

    Got my self a Vox AC30 instead.... me=happy :P
  • You did the right thing. The whole thing sounded very suspect and very risky, and you weren't being offered any way to either protect yourself or authenticate the ax. So you probably avoided getting screwed, like the guy with the Euros did.
    And even if it was real, and a good deal, you still were taking a big chance. There's a ZILLION LP's out there, and you're much better off with one you can actually pick up and play, be sure you like the action and sound, and have a better chance of NOT gettnig screwed. Keep looking - and if anyone finds a nice late 70's/early 80's Ibanez Artist, send it to me! :)
  • Since your research on the gibson site using the serial number given to you by the seller checked out then that is a les paul. I know this is a bit late in the day but here are some tips for would be ebay buyers. I own 20 guitars most from ebay. If you can get a serial number from the seller and it checks out then chances are it's legit. If the seller is cagey with info then walk away. Most sellers have a rough idea what they are selling but it's allways useful to get a serial number and make and model from the seller before you BID/ Purchase. Fraudulent descriptions can and allways lead to prosecution under the trades description act Here in the uk not sure elsewhere and Ebay has a strict policy regarding that and will prosecute a seller for any breaches of this nature. You do have a measure of protection with ebay but ( buyer beware ) still holds true with private sellers. If in doubt walk away. If the seller is near enough then ask to see the item first hand before you buy. Its a good way of sniffing out the chancers. :!:
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