Chord progressions ??
ok I am really uninformed when it comes to these terms so my question is where they talk about progressions and they use the roman numeral system I was wondering is that the order you play the chords so they sound right??
like i seen where it shows C-Dm-Em-F-G-Am-Bdim am I understanding that right??
I am sorry for such a stupid sounding question but I have this learning issue where I have to know why things are the way they are then I can remember them and know why I am playing what I am.
I hope that makes sense
I did get this cool poster from Guitar Center called Guitar Theory and it shows alot of stuff like that and talks about how chords are constructed like 1-3-5 and 1-5 and 1-4-5 and then it has all the keys and the notes in the key and they are numbered up to 13
most of it makes sense except one part called intervals but ill figure that out in due time I hope also a symbol that looks like a temperature degree sign the little circle does that mean dim I assume that means diminished although i don't know what diminished means yet
thanks everyone I hope I am not annoying anyone here
like i seen where it shows C-Dm-Em-F-G-Am-Bdim am I understanding that right??
I am sorry for such a stupid sounding question but I have this learning issue where I have to know why things are the way they are then I can remember them and know why I am playing what I am.
I hope that makes sense
I did get this cool poster from Guitar Center called Guitar Theory and it shows alot of stuff like that and talks about how chords are constructed like 1-3-5 and 1-5 and 1-4-5 and then it has all the keys and the notes in the key and they are numbered up to 13
most of it makes sense except one part called intervals but ill figure that out in due time I hope also a symbol that looks like a temperature degree sign the little circle does that mean dim I assume that means diminished although i don't know what diminished means yet
thanks everyone I hope I am not annoying anyone here
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iliace in V----IV
III 1/2----III 1/4
II----
Tal in X---IX---VIII----VII
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Generally, the roman numerals simply denote the degree of the scale. So, for C major, I is the C chord; ii is the D chord; etc.
When you're in the key of C major, the notes in each chord are defined by the scale. This is where intervals come in.
The 2nd interval is two adjacent notes - for example, C to D. A minor 2nd is when there is no note in-between; a major 2nd interval is when there is a note in-between.
So, C to Db would be a minor 2nd. C to D would be a major 2nd. The latter is the case for C major.
For each interval, you count the number of notes in-between to figure out whether they're major or minor. Some intervals have no major/minor variations; these are called perfect intervals.
Again using C major (because it has no sharps or flats in the key signature), first figure out all the possible intervals.
C to Db = min 2nd
C to D = maj 2nd
C to Eb = min 3rd
C to E = maj 3rd
C to F = perfect 4th - this is one of those that doesn't have a minor or major version
(skipping C to F#/C to Gb for now)
C to G = perfect 5th
C to Ab = min 6th
C to A = maj 6th
C to Bb = min 7th
C to B = maj 7th
For a major scale, you are using only the major and perfect intervals. Thus, the notes of C major scale = C D E F G A B.
The number of half-steps or semitones for each interval is the number of frets it takes to get from the first note of the interval to the next. For example, C to Db is 1 half step (or semitone), because Db is one fret away from C.
C to D = 2 half-steps (1 whole step)
C to E = 4 half-steps (2 whole steps)
C to F = 5
C to G = 7
C to A = 9
C to B = 11
From here, you take the scale tones into account. To build a C major chord, you skip one tone from C (skip D) and end on E. Then you skip one tone from E (skip F) and land on G. C-E-G are the notes of the C major chord.
Note that C to E is a maj 3rd (four frets), and E to G is a min 3rd (three frets).
Back to the roman numerals. Each numerals tells you what note of the scale you're starting on. Then you build the chords from each of those notes.
I = C - E - G = maj 3rd + min 3rd = major chord = Cmaj
ii = D - F - A = min 3rd + maj 3rd = minor chord = Dmin
iii = E - G - F = min 3rd + maj 3rd = minor chord = Emin
IV = F - A - C = maj 3rd + min 3rd = major chord = Fmaj
V = G - B - D = maj 3rd + min 3rd = major chord = Gmaj
vi = A - C - E = min 3rd + maj 3rd = minor chord = Amin
skip the vii chord for now. All you have to know to start is that Maj 3rd + Min 3rd makes a major chord (triad if you want to be technical), and Min 3rd + Maj 3rd makes a minor chord.
In classical theory, an upper-case roman numeral means major chord; a lower-case roman numeral means minor chord.
The arabic numerals may refer to the notes of each individual chord. For example, let's say you have a vi chord of C major = Amin = A - C - E. In relationship to the key of C major, A is the roman numeral vi. But, in relationship to the Amin chord (not considering the key), A is the 1 note of the Amin chord. By same logic: C is the I of the key, but the 3 of the Amin chord. E is the iii of the key, but the 5 of the Amin chord.
If you went to a different key that has an Amin chord in it (say G major), the roman numerals would change, but the arabic numeral would stay the same.
Some theory books use somewhat different nomenclature; usually it's explained somewhere in there.
Right, so perfect intervals can have a diminished version, which is one half step less than the regular perfect interval. So, in the above example, if you took C-G (perfect 5th) and lowered the G to Gb (one half step or one fret), you would get C-Gb, which is called diminished 5th. It has six half steps, and is called the devil's interval (666 and all).
The vii of the major scale is a diminished chord. In C major:
vii = B - D - F = min 3rd + min 3rd = diminished chord = Bdim
The degree symbol does mean diminished; you're correct there.
I thought that when it said chord progression that each of those i named above would be chords played in that order.
I guess im looking to hard at this like it has some kinda mathmatical equation and solution. I guess im better off just learning the chords and learning other bands tab's till i get a better grasp on this sorry for making you type all of that but i will diffinately keep the post so i can re read it every so often pretty soon it will all click together.
I vi IV V
and you're in the key of C major
then your chords are:
Cmaj Amin Fmaj Gmaj
It might also say V7, which would make the last one G7.
I am truly sorry if I bothered anyone I justwant to understand how the theory works I know I can only do a little at a time but today i have probably doubled what I knew thanks to you guys. If I can keep this up i will be doing really well by the end of the month now the other part is getting my brain and hand to work together properly
Yeah that's what I meant... :oops:
It's under General Discussion on a music-related board... if somebody doesn't like it, they can go read something else
I would definitely recommend to learn how the chord numbers (Roman Numerals) relate to each other on the fretboard
The key part of that sentence is \"RELATE\" - i.e. learn the relative positions of each chord rather than worrying too much about what they are called and what intervals they contain (which is of course important but not necessary to get you rockin')
I.e if you learn the chord of E Major, and treat it as Chord I, you can then learn that \"Chord IV\" is A Major
If you then learn \"Barre\" chords you can simply move the E Major shape up the neck with your \"barre\" across the 3rd fret and then add your Emajor shape - this will then make a G Major chord
Now, if you do the same with the A chord and move it to the 3rd fret with a barre you will get a C Major chord - it's RELATIVE position to the G chord is exactly the same as A to E
This will work up and down the fret board
If you now learn that the V chord's relative position is 2 frets higher than the IV chord (and \"down a string and up 2 frets\" from the I chord) you can be playing \"3 Chord Tricks\" in any key without really knowing the chord names but knowing their RELATIVE POSITIONS to Chord I
You can then extend this to learn the other relative positions (I would recommend learning the relative position of chord Vi next (I personally prefer the sound of dropping the I chord 3 frets but you may need to find some alternative poitions for some keys)
As a beginner you wil be AMAZED at how many songs from many different genres conform to these 3 or four chords!
It will be no time at all until this complicated explanation becomes second nature!
I think you have really hit a nerve (in a good way!) with many of us
You are asking exactly the right questions and it is actually really exciting seeing some of the \"pennies\" drop for you - this is the process that EVERYONE on these forums went through
Seeing someone start the journey is bringing back many memories for me and I am sure for everyone else
If you need any further helps and tips feel free to post - I am sure you will benefit from the huge range of experience of the users around here!
Keep at it - look forward to the blisters on the fingers and the hardening of those finger tips :shock:
EDIT he he i am new it went 8th noteX4 8th note tripletX4 16th noteX4 8th note triplet X4 8th note 8th note triplet 16th note 8th note triplet
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1 dominant 7, 4 dominant 7, 5 dominant 7..
Notice all 3 chords are Dominant 7's, which corelate to the 5 chord.
So a blues in A...A7,D7,E7..(Chord progression can be treated a number of ways.
You could play D major over the A7, G major over the D7, A major over the E7. Or you could play D minor over the A7. etc..
Or you could play A natural minor over the A7 or pentaonic over the A7, play the same thing over all 3 chords.. The improvisation is endless, the chord progression remains the same..(With the exception of adding turnarounds, and substitutions...
Jazz...
2 minor7, 5 dominant 7, 1 major 7
D minor 7, G7, C major 7..
Endless possibilites over the improv, but the basic progression remains the same..