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Your vote on Gilmour

Hi everyone - since we've all got nothing else to do with our extensive spare time, I thought I'd start a discussion:

WHY is it that everyone loves Gilmour, especially Comfortably Numb? I don't know one axist that doesn't dig that song and playing that solo.

Here's my take: Here's a guy who, in the age of crappy equipment and archaic technology, was able to really put some feeling into even the simplest solos. DG could be playing Michael Row The Boat Ashore and you'd know it was him. His songwriting and solo creation isn't particularly sophisticated or complex - especially in light of some of the ax-masters that came after - yet he's in a class by himself, and no one else can do his sound or style.

Opinions?

Comments

  • One can always tell when a player has a \"passion\" to play. DG is one of many who is easily picked out. \"Mother\" solo has a simple passage, but you can get the message of the song through the bends. The tempo is as if you were gently swinging on a swing or rocking an infant to sleep.

    Comfortably Numb.. expression at it's best!

    Another great emotion soloist is Neal Schon
  • His stuff makes sense; the way his playing and note choices put the song in a completely different perspective. Also, it doesn't hurt to have complex orchestration with bass and synths to back it up. Archaic technology, sure, but the ambience they created is very unique. The solos don't sound quite as dramatic played over power chord structures, even with delays and reverbs going up the oozoo.
  • Comfortably Numb.. expression at it's best!
    Amen and Amen!!! In my opinion this still ranks as my favorite Solo of any music, any style that I've ever listened to!!! Why?? I don't know?? I just know everytime I hear it it's the same thought all over again man that's the best solo ever Man I pray that some day I will be able to express my emotion and feeling thru guitar half as good as that!!!!
  • Expression and passion - also the beauty of \"less is more\". Malmsteen certainly showers you with notes - and not to take away from what he does - but I can only listen to a few minutes of him where I can listen to one Floyd album after another. It's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison - but the DG is able to really create a feel by putting some space around notes - bends, slides, sustained holds... not just shredding. Again - not to bash Malmsteen - he's DEFINITELY a HUGE talent - more using him as a benchmark of comparison.

    I've always really enjoyed the solo in \"Time\" - again, one that isn't particularly difficult to play, but it speaks... it sings... even just covering the notes doesn't convey the solo - you have to feel it too - put your soul into it along with your fingers.

    Having said that, I like the shredder leads as well - but DG has always amazed me with his ability to make compelling leads using so many fewer notes.

    +1 on Neil Schon!!! I really enjoy early Journey stuff.
  • Yeah, yeah, you guys get it! The thing about DG isn't that he 'shreds' or rattles off lots of licks and scales...he just puts so much into a few notes that it's a style unto itself. You can't do a great DG solo by learning the notes, you have to have the FEEL of the passage.
    Now considering that I love all kinds of playing and I'm a Lifeson junkie, I've always marveled that DG can be such a stellar player when lined up next to others that are so \"technically\" proficient. But he's right up there in the ranks, dontcha think??
  • Rush- Lifeson... that's a whole new topic

    I think it comes down to knowing (by feel) what to do with a passage. DG has a gift for that, and although it's subtle for the most part, when he needs to deliver a stronger point he can take it that direction.

    Rush, prog players, are about creating sonic landscapes in a mindful sense. That means, there is a purpose for their direction based on many takes of the same passages. It's like Floyd members trusted DG's intuititive technique.

    With Rush and prog players, there are a lot of syncapated passages that have to be coordinated or it goes out in left field. Not that one is easier than the other cause I've played with prog guys that are all about timing. Then I've played bluesy stuff and simply \"feel\" the song... change the mode.. change the scale position.. change the mood.
  • I grew up on old Rush - Van Halen and Lifeson were my guitar role models growing up. So many great Rush songs - where do you start? The amazing thing to me is that they NAIL it live! You'd think that stuff is \"studio trickery\" only, that there is NO WAY three guys could pull it off - but they SO do. I've seen them twice and left stunned both times.
  • hey 'mock - thanks for posting; you must be one of those rush fan-atics like me. I just DIG them, I think they're incredible in so many ways. I could go on n on about why, but they just are.
    I've seen them 9 times, dating back to the Hemispheres tour, and they never disappoint!
  • :idea: David Gilmour in Rush Terms = Grace under Pressure.


    His solos are sometimes so peaceful yet just below the surface you can feel the tention of emoitions that he puts into them. So who cares how fast or slow you are playing as long as you get your musical thoughts across to others in the way you intended. :wink:
    Man thats Deep! (and I didn't even have to pull out my Dark side of the moon anniversary addition Bong to think that up!) :roll: :lol::lol::lol:

    \"I can play guitar and say what I want to... Eddie can just do it in 7 diffrent languages - Sammy Hagar :lol:
  • :idea: David Gilmour in Rush Terms = Grace under Pressure.


    His solos are sometimes so peaceful yet just below the surface you can feel the tention of emoitions that he puts into them. So who cares how fast or slow you are playing as long as you get your musical thoughts across to others in the way you intended. :wink:
    Man thats Deep! (and I didn't even have to pull out my Dark side of the moon anniversary addition Bong to think that up!) :roll: :lol::lol::lol:

    \"I can play guitar and say what I want to... Eddie can just do it in 7 diffrent languages - Sammy Hagar :lol:

    Yeah - it's like that guy on these boards says: \"it's not the quantity of notes but the quality of expression\"...that's what sets guys like DG apart....
  • Call me odd man out... :)
    Never really got into Gilmour...
    Just sounds like a bunch of phrasing going nowhere..
    The whole Pink Floyd thing just excapes me as well :?

    In my mind the king of \"Less is More\" is the King...
    BB King that is... 8)
  • Going beyond David Gilmour (who I love to listen to) and speaking generally, it's all about the entire composition not about showing off what one artist is capable of.

    To say it differently, the musicians I admire most (DG being on top) have the ability to know just what it takes to make the composition 'speak'. What is played and how enforces the emotion and has to fit the context or message the song is delivering.

    This is of course the view of someone who focuses on the message trying to be expressed in a composition and not just the raw musical ability itself.

    A drummer, lead guitarist, what ever, who knows how to throttle back and play something really simple for the benefit of the entire piece has the greatest talent. There are many people with fantastic music ability but don't have this talent, yet there are others who can't play a wild blinding lead like Eddy VanHalen but can make a complete composition sound perfect.
  • I'm with ya Jeffr...the band Marillion is a great example of that idea...
  • Gilmour fills in the empty spaces with well chosen notes. Extremely soulful bends too.
    Lifeson is amazing with his timing. He really glues Rush's music together well. The thing I always admire is his sense of timing. Whenever I play a Rush song, the thing that I will most likely mess up is the timing.
    Hey Shredd, I think all of the Rush loving hotties that you're looking for are in Rio. :lol:
  • \ACWild\ wrote:
    Gilmour fills in the empty spaces with well chosen notes. Extremely soulful bends too.
    Lifeson is amazing with his timing. He really glues Rush's music together well. The thing I always admire is his sense of timing. Whenever I play a Rush song, the thing that I will most likely mess up is the timing.
    Hey Shredd, I think all of the Rush loving hotties that you're looking for are in Rio. :lol:

    Yeah, DG's really got a great touch.
    Now Lifeson...that guy's got a handle on some pretty kewl styles, and he's really tight when he plays...I guess that's why it's so hard to nail his stuff...

    As for Rio - I have the vid and I saw all the uber-babes that're into RUSH...I'd go there for one if I didn't think I'd get my throat cut in the first ten minutes!!!javascript:emoticon(':(')
    Sad
  • By the way - even farther off topic here, but can anyone tell me why the hell when I drag an emoticon into a message, I get not only the picture, but all the code too????:

    javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
    Embarassed
  • \shredd\ wrote:
    By the way - even farther off topic here, but can anyone tell me why the hell when I drag an emoticon into a message, I get not only the picture, but all the code too????:

    javascript:emoticon(':oops:')
    Embarassed

    Try clicking on it instead.

    :wink: <---- works like a charm
  • Although I like DG I much prefer Lifeson. Though I do prefer the older Rush stuff.
  • \shando\ wrote:
    Although I like DG I much prefer Lifeson. Though I do prefer the older Rush stuff.

    Kewl...the great thing about guitar is it's a tool for expression that all the great players out there cover the spectrum.
    I'm a RUSH fan-atic and I think Lifeson is just the berries. I'd do the robert johnson thing to have chops like him.

    I started this thread 'cuz I love DG and Floyd and have always wondered why they stand out so much when their music isn't particularly sophisticated or unusual in form...it just seems no one can do it like they do.

    PS thanks 'ace, for the tip - one less thing to make myself look stupid with!!! :lol:
  • Depends on what you call sophisticated. Sometimes it's very hard to decide what sonic gaps need filled or remain vacant. I would tend to think the producers decide most of that once the song has been introduced. many successful bands had great producers.

    DSOTM success was mainly due to experimentation in a time they thought the public would not be game for anything like that.

    The Wall....... over the top.. but it had a unique story line.

    kind of like Rush with Caress of Steel, 2112. or QR.. Operation Mindcrime

    Musicians don't like dead space most of the time. Sometimes the producers have to convince them when to \"leave it alone\" or \"this needs something\" .
  • some of the best music has dead spaces
    they can be like anticipation
    OR
    the calm before the storm
  • Depends on what you call sophisticated. Sometimes it's very hard to decide what sonic gaps need filled or remain vacant. I would tend to think the producers decide most of that once the song has been introduced. many successful bands had great producers.

    DSOTM success was mainly due to experimentation in a time they thought the public would not be game for anything like that.

    Musicians don't like dead space most of the time. Sometimes the producers have to convince them when to \"leave it alone\" or \"this needs something\" .

    Hey 3456 - you're definitely right, sometimes the silence is as important as the sound. When you think about DSOTM as 'experimental', there were guys who opened the door for albums like that - think Jimi, Sgt Pepper's or White Album and the like...
    When I say \"sophisticated\", I mean complexity - think Yes v. Floyd. DG's music is decidedly simple compared to many, yet it has a lot more \"feel\" to it than does many other bands whose music is more complex...
  • Complex music does not make good music.

    I was watching a Neil Peart instructional video. He said that one of the things that he learned later on is that silence is music. The silence in between the hits makes the song almost as much as the hits themselves.
  • that's what I was sayin and thats where I got that---I saw that video or interview--many years ago
  • It's like when we were auditioning guitarists/drummers for our band. many knew how to wail, but most had no idea how to articulate SLOW passages, sync'd, off time sig, improvisation, pick attack, vol swells, and so forth.

    Worse yet was trying to demonstrate playing out of sync, or out of rythym. The look on their faces was \"why would you do that curiosity expression\".

    When writing, those songs stand out well since the parts are separated in their own sonic space. So it leads to a more textured, than overlapped muddy sounds from mixes in the same audio band.

    I always thought it sounded great when all of a sudden the music is silent, then you can hear a floor tom just go BOOM in it's own space. Lifeson's trick to modulate his volume control on his guitar during Neil's tom roll fills was always a way to create intelligibility for the listener. I started doing that Live myself after I learned about it many moons ago in an article. Many guys that hear that say \"wow... I never heard of doing that, but it sounds great\".. What a concept... turn down for other players !!

    Lifeson got his idea from the group Chicago. Those horn players had to stand out, so the guitars and KB players turned down for that moment. Like Alex Lifeson said.. \" we like to recreate LIVE what we do in studio. If you use the same technique, the audience will not know if it was Live or Memorex!!\"
  • Notes are meaningless without rests.
  • Just to add another example of DG's fine playing is the often overlooked solos on \"THE FINAL CUT\" just as simple but wow! Musical mouthfuls, beautiful harmony and layering.
  • David Gilmore has written my *all-time* favorite solos, Comfortably Numb, Mother, and the Thin Ice.

    I dont know what it is about him, yes his solos arent very technical. To me, technicallity doesnt mean squat if the solo doesnt have taste(a good flavor) and SOUL! And that's what he definitly has in his grasp.

    He writes solos that YOU CAN HUM!

    (Write that one down, all you pissed off speedy gonzales mo-fo's)
    :wink:


    :D YOU ALL ROCK! :D
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