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Drum Machine Vs. Software

Wanted to start a thread where people can weigh-in on their preference of drum machines vs. drum software. Are there any advantages of one over the other. Also, things like ease of use, learning curve for a new user, tweakability, and most importantly - sound, etc. What brand and model/software are you using, and what do you like/dislike about it.

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  • I have an alesis SR-16. After a short learning curve it's great. I'm just now attempting to learn how to use the drum maps with PTP and the loops with the GNX 4 drum kits. I'm intrested in hearing others opions and any advise for creating drum tracks for songs, ect.
  • The advantage of software drum machines is that due to the visual environment, it's much easier to navigate around them and edit sequences--think of tweaking a patch on your 3K through the little display compared to using X-Edit, and then heavily amplify that difference due to the complexity of drum machines. Also, you can typically import any drum sound you record, buy, or find on the Internet.

    Drum machines are nice if they have touch sensitive pads. Although this takes a little getting used to, it's a huge deal, because you don't always hit a drum as hard as you can, so this feature adds a major level of depth. Second, I can \"feel\" when a drum should be hit way better than I can estimate its location on a grid, so being able to press buttons on a drum machine in real time is easier for me (think about sequencing a guitar song by selecting a note for each beat instead of letting it flow).

    With those advantages said, I tend to click drum tracks together instead of picking up my Dr. Rhythm. I suppose the ultimate combo would be a drum pad that you could plug into your USB port, so you could edit visually on your computer while also having dynamicism and real-time playing.
  • Here are some typical grid-based drum machines. You can see how easy it would be to get a big picture view of your drum sequence. Each row is for a particular sound (hi-hat, kick drum, etc...), and each column represents a beat.

    03_MM_BeatBox.jpg

    TdrumX_Screen_Shot.jpg

    Now look at Dr. Rhythm's display:

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  • my $0.02:
    I have a basic drum machine, a ZOOM MRT-3B, which is a great, inexpensive machine for non-pro fun and studio use. It has touch sensitivepads, is very programmable without using rocket science, and is also very customizable. I love it and use it on all my recordings.
    I use the built in machine in the GNX for practicing and looops and the like
    I've never used a puter program to make drums, and while I'd agree that the visual method would make for easy use, I think the complex nature of using such a program would outweigh it. Personally, I prefer my not-too-complicated drum machine. It makes great sound and is easy to use.
  • I have tried both software based v a DR 5. I prefer the DR 5 just to have more tactile control. The learning curve for me was (is) steep. In fact, I got so disgusted with trying to create the right beats that I purchased a set of Yamaha DTX III and continue to learn the drums easier than programing a machine! They also make it easier to try different rythms etc. No a cheap solution but one I personally do not regret.
  • im going to get a littele m-audio usb midi controller keyboard - ive been using piano roll a lot and barnching out into different VSTs and its really great, but piano roll is a little slow - im hoping to be able to sketch ideas out quickly with a keyboard and use the quantize commands to tidy up the sounds. The beauty of MIDI is that you can 'reamp' it - becuase its just a set of instructions - i made a MIDI track ages a go and i liked the arrangement but disliked the sounds - when i got some better soft synths i was able to upgrade the tones really easily. And Rayzoons jamstix has some of the most 'real' sounding drums ive ever heard! software sequencing is just so flexible - its just you need to find a good way of editing it for you - a freind of mine just bought a MIDI drum kit so he can lay down midi drums - he cant play the drums but it should be fun :D If you can find a natural feeling and easy method of editing the midi then software is definately the way to go.
  • Are there any free drum software tools out there? Which ones do you guys reccomend?
  • :D I have a DR-3 I really like it . very easy to rearrange 100 rythm paterns to your arragments. Or you can create your own. But its really made for ease of use creating diffrent rythm patterns quickly. Its also not too expensive and a great Jam machine for live practises. foot controls too. :wink: I am sure there are many more powerful ones to choose from but I dont want to have to mess around with programming every individual beat all day. Just my 2 cents
  • Are there any free drum software tools out there?

    The free ones tend to be for techno-type folk. I have a free version of this, but it looks like they finally made it out of the beta stage--still free for 90 days though:

    http://www.audiomulch.com/download.htm

    Very old school and basic, but this is free and was my first audio software, so I will always dig it:

    http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/

    But I switched to a non-free software drum sequencer, so I'm no longer up on what's good. This might be a good starting point though:

    http://www.mymusictools.com/download/drum-machines/
  • I bought a Drum Loop CD that has so many different styles, etc that it almost never wears out .. Its the fastest way to good \"real\" drums I know...
  • Check out Jamstix. Not only can you arrange your own patterns in it, it will actually jam along with you and adjust to the velocity of your playing. I've been waiting for years for something like this as I'm just a guy that jams and records things all on my own and I have NO idea how to play drums to begin with. They have a free demo at their website and the BEST support I have EVER seen from a man named Ralph Zauni. Check it out!

    www.rayzoon.com
  • Hey Angry,
    I tried to do the demo a couple nights ago (twice) and can't get it to work. From the web site, it looks like it is geared toward jazz. Have you been able to get good rock/hard rock sounds from it? Was it fairly intuitive, or a pain to learn?
    Thanks
  • Hammerhead actually seems to have grown quite a bit since I last looked at it. There are 4 new acoustic sound banks you can download.

    It's a lot of fun to play around with and about as easy to use as they come!

    Again, you can download the free program here:
    http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/download.shtml

    The downloadable banks are here:
    http://www.threechords.com/hammerhead/userbanks.shtml
  • firstly i want to second TLF = drum loops are great and easy ways to work - i have a selection of betamonkey loops discs that are really fantastic. (www.betamonkeymusic.com)

    and to also second angry as always and answer inside out - jamstix rocks!! i am DEFINATELY buying the full version on payday!

    you have to have a VST compatible sequencer - Pro Tracks is direct X only im afraid - but its big brother Sonar has a VST wrap program that converts VST plug ins into something Sonar can use.

    insert Jamztix into the track - two tracks will appear - one will be a MIDI track (any midi notes or loop in the track will be played by jamztix) and the top one is the Jam Stix program its-self.

    there is also the audiom8 plug in that comes with jamstix - insert this into the effects bin of an audio track and press play and the program should jam with what you are playing - i havent got this to work too well yet - perhaps angry could give us some pointers?

    but for making common or garden boring MIDI loops sound great its excellent - you can tweak it a lot - and easily - ive got my tracks sounding like John Bonham is playing in my room! so rock IS very do able.
  • The nice thing about Drum lopps to me is that they come already with a bit of \"swing\" to them 9 especially for Rock ) that never sounds sterile or fake to my ears. 9 especailly with a bit o' verb)
  • I'm having a heck of a time here. I was never able to get Jamstix demo to work. Now I've tried to download the Hammerhead software several times, and keep getting \"page not available\". I'll keep trying (I don't give up easily) but I may have to resort to hitting pots and pans with wooden soup spoons :shock:

    Great reply's so far - keep em coming guys!! Thanks!
  • I'm having a heck of a time here. I was never able to get Jamstix demo to work. Now I've tried to download the Hammerhead software several times, and keep getting \"page not available\". I'll keep trying (I don't give up easily) but I may have to resort to hitting pots and pans with wooden soup spoons :shock:

    Great reply's so far - keep em coming guys!! Thanks!

    :lol:

    I'd be happy to email you Hammerhead if you want--you can PM your email address to me.
  • Hi!

    Isn't it possible to use drum loops with Sonar?

    If so... how?

    I only glanced thru the manual. Maybe I should read it.

    Anyone know if it's possible?

    Thanks.
  • Hey Angry,
    I tried to do the demo a couple nights ago (twice) and can't get it to work. From the web site, it looks like it is geared toward jazz. Have you been able to get good rock/hard rock sounds from it? Was it fairly intuitive, or a pain to learn?
    Thanks

    I have to say it was kind of a pain for me to get it to record on sonar. I'm a TOTAL newb to computer recording, so I was behind the 8-ball so to speak. Archon is right on about inserting the audio m8 in the tracks so Jamstix can read what it's supposed to do. If you don't insert one, the program won't work at all. Don't be afraid to ask Ralph how to get that program going. Actually it's a tight knit community like this one where alot of people will chime in to help you out! You can get some great hard rock sounds and patterns from it. You just have to insert the right pattern style and load the right kits for the job!

    Archon! Way to go 'bro! You won't regret it! It's changed SO much for me as far as writing and how fast I can get stuff down and completed. It's a modern miracle!
  • Let us know how you like Hammerhead, Insideout.

    Here is a free grid-based drum program:
    http://tnikolai.nm.ru/drumflow.html
  • Hey Jagesso,
    I finally was able to download and install the programs. Thanks for your help - I really appreciate it! 8)

    I have company in town for the week so I haven't had time to play with them much. I'll let you know when I get it figured out. Initial glance... I think I like the Drumflow more than Hammerhead but time will tell. Thanks again
  • PCDrummer is awesome. I have been using it for 2 yrs. People are blown away because they sound so real on my recordings. They are very easy to use and you can export your tracks to wave files to down load into your recorders. They have a trial version on there web site. I had the trial version for about two days and decided I had to have it. I just upgraded to the newest version for $19 all in all it has cost me $50. I am about to by an expansion pack for it for $15 that has like 20 more instruments on it including bass notes. Anyone looking for something cheap that doesn't sound cheap should give it a try.
  • I use an ION drum machine with 7 pads as an extra so i can play it my self or set up loops. On the software side i use either fruity loops to create a whole drum sequence which is time consuming but allows more scope since i am not that good a drummer (i'll up load a song to prove it under my other name psycoderek ) or i use reason 3 which has both a drum machine and loop player along with soft synths to create even more noise with. The software side is time consuming but the end results can be worth the wait and the effort. As an adition to that i also use wavelab 4 with enough plugins to float a barge to master the finished product. All this with an old dell pc that was new in 2001. :D
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