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Tomy Iommi is a genius

not a particularily earth shattering statement - nor is it particualrily condusive to discussion, but i feel it warrants occasional comment. Because the guy has no fingers and plays the coolest, slinkiest heaviest blues known to man.

to my shame i occassionally find myself saying \"im bored of sabbath put something else on\". After a while, when ive forgetten them, sleeping village or behind the wall of sleep will pop up on itunes and i get those shivers down my spine again like i did when i was a kid listening to my dad's sabbath LPs and having nightmares and i remember that Iommi is a genius and all that technical whammy/tapping stuff is pretension and heavy metal blues is the coolest and darkest sound a guitar can make.

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  • I agree with you 100%. I feel the same way about Iommi, Angus, Page, Gilmour, etc.
    Ive found that as my own playing progresses (and i like to think improves) that the \"less is more\" mentality is something that comes with a certain level of musical maturity. Amazing what these guys can say with 6 notes that others try but cant with 60. I think one of their defining talents is knowing what to play and when to play it for the sake of the song.
  • I love Angus, Page and Gilmour but dont seem to have heard Iommi. I am not into Death Metal.

    Can you recommend some songs that showcase Iommi at his best, so that I can given them a listen.
  • edited April 2006
    most people will talk about his riffage and power chords but for me it was all about his early blues licks - like warning/sleeping village, behind the wall of sleep, warpigs, fairies wear boots, rat salad, hand of doom, wicked world (wich has the same riff as the doors' Wild Child - and is probably an old blues staple.) etc.. but warning/sleeping village/a little bit of finger is a huge opus from the first album that just shows off everything brilliantly. The thing i liked about the band in the early days was the funky/bluesy swing they had it wasnt all headbanging = there was a lot of soul in it.

    he also appears on the rolling stones rock and roll circus when he was briefly in the band Jethro Tull, he plays on the track a song for jeffery = and its a corker!

    he's like a dark version of clapton, they both play the same notes on every song but they always fit ;)

    i totally agree about dave gilmour = just fantastic, inventive melodic solos with hardly any speed involved. Attention to detail and the tune rather than technical gymnastics.

    I think Peter Green's playing is very similair in its simplistic but perfect approach.
  • web surf,
    Try ...........Tony Iommi, on your browser. Iommi and Page pioneered heavy metal. Tony was with Black Sabbath for 25 years.

    I was into the peak of my guitar abilities when Black Sabbath first came out. I dove headfirst into their realm.....parts of me never made it back. Iron Man, Paranoid, War Pigs, Black Sabbath I think was the first time I wore headphones and set the volume on 10 1/2+.
    I'd even fall asleep this way....and wake up wondering if I had been possessed or not. We use to play their songs backwards desperately searching for some subliminal message...like \"Come to the Dark Side\" or \"KIll them...Kill them ALL.\" \"They Taste Like Chicken.\".....anything....but nothing. :cry:

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  • yeh - i used to be quite scared and worried about the satanic influence of their music and felt guilty about listening to it - until i heard them say it was all just like alice cooper and it was a gimmick to sell records and i though \"ok thats cool\".

    and then i watched the last supper dvd and geezer starts going on about how someone gave him s a 16th century black magic book that turned into a ghostly figure at 3 am, pointed at him and then dissappeared and the band always felt like there was an invisible presence influencing theiur music and i was like \"what!?!?!?! = dont freak me out man!!\"
  • Thanks Archon, I will give those songs a listen !

    One of the companies I own is into concert photography. We have covered one Gilmour concert and two Tull concerts. I will check if we have rights to post some pics here.

    And Peter Green, how I can thank enough the one who gave us \"Black Magic Woman\" !!
  • \Manitou\ wrote:
    web surf,
    We use to play their songs backwards desperately searching for some subliminal message...like \"Come to the Dark Side\" or \"KIll them...Kill them ALL.\" \"They Taste Like Chicken.\".....anything....but nothing. :cry:

    I've heard of many songs containing messages coded in backwards. Even the benign Beatles have been accused of this.

    How do you play a song backwards to check if there are messages in it ?
  • web surf,
    We had the old vinyl record albums back then. You just put the needle on the groove and with your finger just start spinning the record counter-clockwise. You could vary the tempo from s-l-o-w to fast by how quickly you spun the record. This is actually how the DJ's learned to do their album riffing and scratching that later became popular in the disco's and dance clubs.
  • archon,
    I grew up rubbing shoulders with a lot of \"names\" back in the day. I can credit Alice Cooper for influencing me to NOT get caught up in drugs.....and later reinforced by Ted Nugent.
    I had a Nurse girlfriend and a Doctor friend whom I worked with at a Hospital. We were invited to go over to Alice's to party. The Doctor and Alice were High School buddy's. I was expecting drugs there, and was both shocked and relieved when Alice came around the corner...looking like an average guy...baseball cap, and smile with a beer in his hand. The stage Alice was theatrical....and the off stage Alice was a complete unexpected relief. Both however, had a huge inpact on me.
  • yeh - if its show it entertainment - i mean if you listen to the gys from sabbath off stage they are just really funny normal blokes - all the stanic stuff is just decoration. i hope. :wink:

    so you know alice eh?? did you record back in the day? will i have you in my record collection?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
  • edited April 2006
    :lol: Breifly... :lol: only got to rub shoulder's a couple times. But it's frightening how many HUGE artists I've lived right next door to, partied with, gone bow hunting with, met at ski resorts, dated some of the same females of, lived with, etc.etc. It just seemed to always happen.
    Yeah...I'm sure I might have missed my calling, and why I turned away from music for so long...I'll never answer. Mitch Ryder once asked me to play with him....that is my closest claim to fame. (I think he was drunk) (or he just didn't realize how limited my ability really was.) I was just never interested in a career with music....or more so... had a fear of success? It scared me too much. I didn't have stage frieght...not what so ever. I was a crack up ham and injoyed the spot light. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be. I do feel strongly that things happen sometimes for a purpose.
    I have had more dumb luck and open doors...and it's just another thing I can't explain. :? This is really kinda embarrassing. :oops:
    my true guitar abilities would be a joke...but I had a way of sounding good.
  • cool site with 'backwards' examples.

    http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

    Promise me, first listen to the sample and guess the words...do not read the transcribed/assumed backwards words.... you'll notice most of it is rubbish imho)
  • \web surf\ wrote:

    How do you play a song backwards to check if there are messages in it ?

    I use Adobe Audition. in that you can just select the part and \"apply reverse\"
    i'm sure you can do a similar think in PTP.

    I know in one Pink Floyd song (forgot name) he sings a whole lot of gibberish, and when you reverse it it says \"Congratulations you have found a secret message\"
  • Hey Archon, Good to hear from you! :D Have you put the Iommi pups on your LP?

    Whenever any little teenagers come over to visit one of of daughters I always have to play Iron Man for them. Of course they are in awe :oops:

    One of them asked me dude how long have you been playing? I said oh about 35 years, then he was quiet for awhile and said cool, well rock on.

    But anyway I believe Iommi is a true pioneer and genius.
    As always Archon, I look forward to your songs.
  • I know in one Pink Floyd song (forgot name) he sings a whole lot of gibberish, and when you reverse it it says \"Congratulations you have found a secret message\"

    that's \"Empty Spaces\", you can listen to it (and reverse it) at the site I mentioned.
  • hey mike! is that cos my songs make you feel better about your talent in comparsion to my lack of it? :wink:

    have you got a kidney bean or gnx yet? or are you still with the fender champ?

    i put an SD invader in my squier stagemaster - im blown away by the difference it made!! i was saving for an american strat but now ive seen the difference a good pickup can make im thinking of going for a pacifica 112 for its cheap fast maple neck and alder body = and then sticking some SD hotrails in and a good distortion humbucker = trying to get a guitar that does metal blues and rock = do ytou have any advice or opinions on this plan??

    when are you gonna post mike? you been kicking around these boards so long i think you earned the right to post using non digitech equipment if that's all you got :D
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