New Idea for MVP Keyboard

youstra
youstra Junior Member
in AMX Control Products
Click the link below and scroll down about 1/4 way and take a look at the quarter-circle keypad on the Origami. Very cool, original idea that would work with MVPs - would be neat to have the MVP change keyboard style when undocked to something like this. MVP's got more bezel...not sure if it'd be too much of a finger-stretch.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/hands-on-with-asus-and-founder-umpcs/

Overall, Origami - if successful - will have a profound effect on this biz. Learn flash.

video - http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=169962

analysis - http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/014216.html

-Bill
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  • DHawthorne
    DHawthorne Junior Member
    It's definitely an interesting idea ... on an MVP, I would be concerned about calibration issues though. Odd shaped buttons like that must overlap, since all buttons are rectangular, and even with active touch boundaries, you have to worry about the z-axis and one button edge blocking another's active area. Then you have the thick overlay, and refraction issues with the MVP that make a button appear to be elsewhere when holding it at different angles; they are best in a relatively fixed position, and I am not sure actually holding it in your hand wouldn't throw the presses off as you move around.
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  • jjames
    jjames AMX Sustaining Engineer
    I can't quite tell, but is the keyboard in QWERTY format? To me it doesn't look like it . . . very interesting idea.
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  • dchristo
    dchristo Junior Member
    DHawthorne wrote:
    ... on an MVP, I would be concerned about calibration issues though. Odd shaped buttons like that must overlap, since all buttons are rectangular, and even with active touch boundaries, you have to worry about the z-axis and one button edge blocking another's active area.

    I remember when the G4 series came out, there was a demo file from AMX that had a series of boomerang-shaped buttons all nested together. Even though button edges clearly overlapped, the active-touch feature worked correctly.

    --D
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  • joeyjoejo1200
    joeyjoejo1200 TP God
    Does anyone here think it would be easier to create a UI using flash then TPD4?
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  • jjames
    jjames AMX Sustaining Engineer
    Easier? I'd say no right now - but I'd be willing to learn flash to create UIs. I think the ability to create a UI in Flash would be AMAZING to say the least. I know Vantage has been doing it with their Designer Toolbox for a while now. Very cheap solution too.

    I took their Designer Toolbox class about a year and a half ago . . . it was very interesting, and I loved the idea. The only problem I would see is that since Flash needs to be on a "computer", you're dealing now with an OS which unless you're using Linux can be very unstable. So you'd almost be seeing versions of the Sony / Vantage hand-held which . . . was nice.

    Overall, it would be great to have an option to be able to create and use Flash GUI, but also still have the option of TPD4.
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  • joeyjoejo1200
    joeyjoejo1200 TP God
    Here is a link to a video of the origami keyboard discussed earlier:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzRZMUC0lJk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egizmodo%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fpage%3D2
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  • youstra
    youstra Junior Member
    Does anyone here think it would be easier to create a UI using flash then TPD4?

    Not at first, but there are nice benefits. They're largely obj-oriented w/ inheritance & methods tied to indiv UI elements. Even if you forget about the methods...there's much to like about inheritable classes. For complex UI, you can immediately change all instances of a given object.

    Longer to learn but easier to maintain and results in more sophisticated UI.

    But if you're sticking with DXP/PB-caliber design or a 15-page TP, it doesn't buy you much.

    On client side, you wouldn't nec need a full PC...there's a flash renderer for cell phones. Gotta assume they could get away with a pretty thin client.

    Anyhoo, it ain't up to us...
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  • Chip Moody
    Chip Moody Junior Member
    Since Modero panels have an OS and more computing horsepower in them than some control systems, I wouldn't write off the possibility of a "flash player" being integrated at some point... :)

    - Chip

    jjames wrote:
    The only problem I would see is that since Flash needs to be on a "computer", you're dealing now with an OS which unless you're using Linux can be very unstable.
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  • frthomas
    frthomas Junior Member
    Besides "horsepower", there's the issue of flash requiring a license. Yes there are open source reverse engineered efforts around, but I doubt AMX would go down this route.

    Fred
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  • DHawthorne
    DHawthorne Junior Member
    Licensing is probably the main issue with including Flash. Macromedia is something of an 800 lb. gorilla in the web graphics field, I doubt AMX wants to tangle with them, nor run up the cost of the product by imbedding yet another license.
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  • joeyjoejo1200
    joeyjoejo1200 TP God
    Actually it would be Adobe now . . .
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  • roognation
    roognation Junior Member
    Flash In The Pan
    frthomas wrote:
    Besides "horsepower", there's the issue of flash requiring a license. Yes there are open source reverse engineered efforts around, but I doubt AMX would go down this route.

    Fred

    Don't forget that you have to update your Flash components every 2-3 months. I am sure my clients would love that.
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  • GSLogic
    GSLogic Junior Member
    Don't forget that you have to update your Flash components every 2-3 months.
    roognation
    You would only have to update if you made a change to the master file and it included any of the new components.

    I think FLASH is a must for AMX!
    I just lost a job to the dark side (Cres****) because I couldn't offer a Flash interface.
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  • mpullin
    mpullin Obvious Troll Account, Marked for Deletion
    roognation wrote:
    Don't forget that you have to update your Flash components every 2-3 months. I am sure my clients would love that.
    Could you explain this?

    All the Flash versions I've seen so far are backwards compatible.
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  • Chip Moody
    Chip Moody Junior Member
    Cre$tron doesn't have a Flash interface either, so I'm not understanding how you lost the job because of that?

    - Chip

    GSLogic wrote:
    I just lost a job to the dark side (Cres****) because I couldn't offer a Flash interface.
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  • GSLogic
    GSLogic Junior Member
    Chip Moody wrote:
    Cre$tron doesn't have a Flash interface either, so I'm not understanding how you lost the job because of that?

    - Chip

    You can use Flash for a web interface to the Cre$tron master.

    Netlinx uses the main port for the Java interface, so there is no way to serve the Flash page from any other ports. HTML is the only web interface you can do... at the moment.
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  • Chip Moody
    Chip Moody Junior Member
    First I've heard of using Flash to drive a Cre$tron interface - cool...

    Wish I knew more about Flash - could be an interesting thing to poke at, it sounds...

    - Chip
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  • yuri
    yuri Junior Member
    new ******** adagio systems use a flash based interface for webcontrol ;)
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  • Chip Moody
    Chip Moody Junior Member
    Sadly, not dealing with resi, I'm not likely to see any Adagio products aside from visits to Cre$tron HQ... :(

    - Chip
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